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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by pmarreck »

philipallstar wrote: post #150
dathinab wrote: post #136

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> It's a cliche, but if you have nothing to hide, and intend to protest peacefully, why are you covering your face? because who says the state (and the people acting for it, e.g. police) are always the good guys there is a VERY long history of people being systematically harassed and persecuted for things which really shouldn't be an issue, and might not have been illegal either (but then the moment a state becomes t…

> like just looking at the UK, they e.g. "thanked" Alan Turing for his war contributions by driving him into Suicide because he was gay Well. Maybe[0]. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18561092

Wow, never heard this version. Fascinating.

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Post by throwaway422432 »

dfawcus wrote: post #192

We shall have to adopt a new fashion for Australian style cork hats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_hat

You can get UV protection hats that have a clip-able face cover for those times you just want to go outside for a minute without having to slap on sunscreen.

Have a few at home just for that, but they could definitely have a dual-use.

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Post by lokar »

dingnuts wrote: post #218
tehjoker wrote: post #213

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It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender. Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? No, defense of Israel is the last stand of a people that has been slowly eradicated from their indigenous region for the la…

Whatever they were before, no reasonable person can consider hamas to be the government of Gaza. Or to be a credible military threat to anyone. They are a convenient excuse to continue the aggression.

FWIW, for much of the early months I would have agreed. Hamas was the de-facto government, and had an obligation to unconditionally surrender. Blending in with civilians can’t be a method to avoid military force.

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Post by lokar »

bko wrote: post #250
Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

> Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? From the article: > Under the plans, 10 live facial recognition (LFR) vans will be used by seven forces across England to help identify "sex offenders or people wanted for the most serious crimes", according to Home Secretary Yvette Cooper. I guess it depends on how dangerous these criminals are. If there was someone offing kids randomly in…

I seriously doubt this would stand up to a rational cost benefit analysis. If the lives of children are so very valuable I’m sure there are many more effective and cheaper things they could be doing on a per-life basis.

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Post by gerdesj »

nmstoker wrote: post #242
gerdesj wrote: post #238

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That probably is true by some measure. There are a lot of cameras in the UK - rather more than when I was a nipper! I'm 55 and pretty well travelled and I've noted similar levels of coverage in many EU countries and the US and CA and of course CN (to be fair, my experience of CN is only HK). I don't know why people get so whizzed up about London's CCTV coverage. For me the scariest area is the M42 south of Birmingham…

Ah the Silver Jubilee Mugs, we had a grey one with that weird bumpy ceramic effect. Anyway, on the cameras you're spot on. I do wonder how much UK cameras are used though - like a microcosm of our national potential, the cameras have potential but how often are they really used: half are likely faulty, most have the person monitoring them on a tea break when something happens and it seems to need an extreme act of vi…

We lived in Manc in 1977 (Dad was a soldier and did a year at UMIST to get to Lt Col, family in tow). Then we buggered off to Germany (again). For a kiddie, I had an amazing life! We were posted to Cyprus too.

Our Jub mugs were mostly transfer printed. We had coloured ones and ones with a sort of silvery monochrome effort.

I'm not too sure that the meme that the UK is the most monitored nation in the world is too true.

You probably remember 1984. I went to a jolly posh school in Devon (Wolborough Hill School, Newton Abbot) and we had to discuss 1984 in 1984.

Do you feel too monitored? I suspect that monitoring is under-reported elsewhere.

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incone123 wrote: post #71
krapp wrote: post #64

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Not in Britain there isn't. We have constant retail theft and violence against staff and the Police and Crime Commissioner for Thames Valley asking the public to do the crime fighting https://www.witneygazette.co.uk/news/25365950.thames-valley-...

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Post by vkou »

card_zero wrote: post #168
dathinab wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a cliche, but if you have nothing to hide, and intend to protest peacefully, why are you covering your face? because who says the state (and the people acting for it, e.g. police) are always the good guys there is a VERY long history of people being systematically harassed and persecuted for things which really shouldn't be an issue, and might not have been illegal either (but then the moment a state becomes t…

I'm thinking it through, and I've arrived at the puzzling conclusion we shouldn't make it too hard for people to break the law.

The optimal amount of fraud or lawlessness isn't zero.

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Post by voltaireodactyl »

varenc wrote: post #231
burkaman wrote: post #67

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Honestly a pretty good point, the US already has "facial recognition vans" on the road in the form of Waymos that will provide video to police upon request. In most states, I think police could also just buy a Tesla, have an officer drive it around and set up a system to continuously upload video to a facial recognition service.

> the US already has "facial recognition vans" on the road in the form of Waymos that will provide video to police upon request. These seem meaningfully different than UK's facial recognition vans. The government has to request the footage from Waymo for a specific place/time. I don't think they can put in requests like "analyze all Waymo video data for this particular face and tell me where they were and when". It's…

If the US government requests such access, do you see a world in which Waymo says no, given the current landscape?
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