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Illinois limits the use of AI in therapy and psychotherapy

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Re: Illinois limits the use of AI in therapy and psychotherapy

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linotype wrote: post #74
hathawsh wrote: post #13

Here is what Illinois says: https://idfpr.illinois.gov/content/dam/soi/en/web/idfpr/news... I get the impression that it is now illegal in Illinois to claim that an AI chatbot can take the place of a licensed therapist or counselor. That doesn't mean people can't do what they want with AI. It only means that counseling services can't offer AI as a cheaper replacement for a real person. Am I wrong? This sounds good to…

What if at some point an AI is developed that’s a better therapist AND it’s cheaper?

I'm probably in the minority here, but for me it's a foregone conclusion that it will become a better therapist, doctor, architect, etc.

Instead of the rich getting access to the best professionals, it will level the playing field. The average low level lawyer, doctor, etc are not great. How nice if everyone got top level help.

Re: Illinois limits the use of AI in therapy and psychotherapy

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tejohnso wrote: post #61
delecti wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs would be just as terrible at that usecase as any other kind of therapy. They don't have logic, and can't determine a logical thought from an illogical one. They tend to be overly agreeable, so they might just reinforce existing negative thoughts. It would still need a therapist to set you on the right track for independent work, and has huge disadvantages compared to the current state-of-the-art, a paper workshe…

They don't "have" logic just like they don't "have" charisma? I'm not sure what you mean. LLMs can simulate having both. ChatGPT can tell me that my assertion is a non sequitur - my conclusion doesn't logically follow from the premise.

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Re: Illinois limits the use of AI in therapy and psychotherapy

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Post by dazed_confused »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #68
dingnuts wrote: post #57

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> I can't imagine some therapists, especially remote only, aren't already just acting as a human interface to chatgtp as well. Are you joking? Any medical professional caught doing this should lose their license. I would be incensed if I was a patient in this situation, and would litigate. What you're describing is literal malpractice.

Software engineers are so accustomed to the idea that skirting your professional responsibility ends with a slap on the wrist and not removing your ability to practice your profession entirely.

Yeah in other professions negligence can lead to jail...

Re: Illinois limits the use of AI in therapy and psychotherapy

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Post by jaredcwhite »

linotype wrote: post #74
hathawsh wrote: post #13

Here is what Illinois says: https://idfpr.illinois.gov/content/dam/soi/en/web/idfpr/news... I get the impression that it is now illegal in Illinois to claim that an AI chatbot can take the place of a licensed therapist or counselor. That doesn't mean people can't do what they want with AI. It only means that counseling services can't offer AI as a cheaper replacement for a real person. Am I wrong? This sounds good to…

What if at some point an AI is developed that’s a better therapist AND it’s cheaper?

What if pigs fly?

Re: Illinois limits the use of AI in therapy and psychotherapy

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hathawsh wrote: post #13

Here is what Illinois says: https://idfpr.illinois.gov/content/dam/soi/en/web/idfpr/news... I get the impression that it is now illegal in Illinois to claim that an AI chatbot can take the place of a licensed therapist or counselor. That doesn't mean people can't do what they want with AI. It only means that counseling services can't offer AI as a cheaper replacement for a real person. Am I wrong? This sounds good to…

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Post by olalonde »

hathawsh wrote: post #13

Here is what Illinois says: https://idfpr.illinois.gov/content/dam/soi/en/web/idfpr/news... I get the impression that it is now illegal in Illinois to claim that an AI chatbot can take the place of a licensed therapist or counselor. That doesn't mean people can't do what they want with AI. It only means that counseling services can't offer AI as a cheaper replacement for a real person. Am I wrong? This sounds good to…

What's good about reducing options available for therapy? If the issue is misrepresentation, there are already laws that cover this.

Re: Illinois limits the use of AI in therapy and psychotherapy

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linotype wrote: post #74
hathawsh wrote: post #13

Here is what Illinois says: https://idfpr.illinois.gov/content/dam/soi/en/web/idfpr/news... I get the impression that it is now illegal in Illinois to claim that an AI chatbot can take the place of a licensed therapist or counselor. That doesn't mean people can't do what they want with AI. It only means that counseling services can't offer AI as a cheaper replacement for a real person. Am I wrong? This sounds good to…

What if at some point an AI is developed that’s a better therapist AND it’s cheaper?

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