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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by nullstyle »

dingnuts wrote: post #218
tehjoker wrote: post #213

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It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender. Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? No, defense of Israel is the last stand of a people that has been slowly eradicated from their indigenous region for the la…

“Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950?”

Wtf does some history lesson you want to be coy about have to do with innocent civilians starving, every day, more and more, in the present moment?

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Post by LAC-Tech »

dingnuts wrote: post #218
tehjoker wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender. Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? No, defense of Israel is the last stand of a people that has been slowly eradicated from their indigenous region for the la…

Israel needs to open it's borders and embrace multi-culturalism.

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Post by nosignono »

mrangle wrote: post #152
chownie wrote: post #60

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If "just persuade them with your good ideas" was a workable solution it would've worked at least once by now, instead the means of persuasion are owned by psychopaths who continually convince the public to vote self-destructively. The enshittification of society continues.

>If "just persuade them with your good ideas" was a workable solution it would've worked at least once by now If I have this right: your measurement for whether or not people are in their right mind is if they take to your specific ideas? Have you considered the possibility that people are most often persuaded by good ideas and your ideas are awful? And insofar as you present them in an ostensibly good light, you are…

You've demonstrated the problem with good ideas, and the vulnerabilities they have quite well. The parent poster said nothing of the sort, but you've:

* inserted a bunch of words into their mouth

* engaged in a gish-gallop

* insulted the person you are replying to

* accused the person you are replying to of lying

All of which are widely deployed techniques used to prevent good ideas from being heard, let alone from being adopted. It was probably unintentional, but it's pretty amazing how quickly you've made a case for why "good ideas" alone aren't sufficient by demonstrating all the ways savvy opponents can shut them down.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by xg15 »

dingnuts wrote: post #218
tehjoker wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's a war, not a genocide. Gaza is under seige. Hamas should unconditionally surrender but they prefer to put their children in harm's way than to surrender. Tell me, if this is a genocide, what has happened to all the Jews in Jordan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan since 1950? No, defense of Israel is the last stand of a people that has been slowly eradicated from their indigenous region for the la…

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by nosignono »

bbg2401 wrote: post #18
drcongo wrote: post #4

I'm so embarrassed to be British these days. We're a small island of small minded people.

Being embarrassed by your nationality or citizenship is certainly a feat of small mindedness.

Plenty of big thinkers out there think nations and citizenship are outmoded concepts, or they are concepts that provoke needless violence. They find their own nationalities an embarrassment.

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Post by FridayoLeary »

lenerdenator wrote: post #57
potato3732842 wrote: post #54

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>There has to be an incentive to not do these things as a government. There is none in the UK. The only incentive governments ever have to not do bad shit is that the people will hate it so much that the government will wind up with less power than they started with. But, decisions are ultimately made by individuals or small groups of them who have interest (profit, legacy, etc) in doing what the people wand and what…

> The only incentive governments ever have to not do bad shit is that the people will hate it so much that the government will wind up with less power than they started with. Well, that's the trick, isn't it? You have to give people a way to reduce government's power if the government does something the people don't like, but do it in a way that keeps society from flying apart.

Guns are an answer to the first problem but not the second, which is why the claim that guns protect the people from tyranny is so wrong.

The best solution i can think of is constantly seeking to reduce the government and limit it's power, size and responsibilities, always trimming the hedge. I.E. conservatism. Any government fundementally should be trusted and relied upon as little as possible, if you want to prevent abuses.

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Post by nosignono »

grepnork wrote: post #177
johnisgood wrote: post #106

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Here, if the cop sees someone overdosing, they immediately call the ambulance, not walk by and do nothing. Also if someone is overdosing, they are probably possessing. People should do it at home or somewhere else, not on the streets. I don't care if someone is consuming inside their home.

>Here, if the cop sees someone overdosing, they immediately call the ambulance, not walk by and do nothing. This unevidenced claim is probably nonsense in any case, no police officer would simply walk by. They may very well walk by and talk into their radio to summon the right kind of help, or they may be responding to a higher priority call. Just because your mate Bob claims they saw something, doesn't mean Bob had…

> no police officer would simply walk by

You and I have very different experiences with police officers. Police Officers may walk by someone overdosing is hardly a claim that needs any evidence in my experience because it's so widely understood to be true.

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Post by tokai »

Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

This public information poster is from 2002.

https://live.staticflickr.com/2314/2171185463_92a40441ab_b.j...

The Brits have been going full steam ahead for many decades.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by zamadatix »

la_mezcla wrote: post #194

Isn't UK a democracy? Why then have the people not rejected the initiative? Ah, right - they haven't even been asked.

I think you'd be surprised how large the public support for these initiatives actually is. E.g. few on HN would guess it aligned with what the public wanted, yet it's hard to find a poll saying that's the case. And I don't just mean "of sleazily worded polls", even when the poll explicitly calls out the privacy concerns or other side effects more want to try the law than not.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by xg15 »

pmarreck wrote: post #206
orra wrote: post #115

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> Must be a truly dangerous place... I don't know if you're awaee, but the number of arrests for terrorism has skyrocketed in recent months, in the UK. Sounds terrifying, until you realise people were arrested as terrorists for holding placards. (That fact is of course terrifying, but in a chilling way).

It still arguably complies with the Paradox of Tolerance. Terrorists (as well as their supporters) are intolerant and non-pluralist. Therefore, for a pluralist society to survive, it must be intolerant of one thing- intolerance.

The paradox of tolerance isn't wrong, but it's also invoked awfully quickly in the last years, often by people who weren't tolerant to begin with.

I'd at least like to know who defines who is a "Pluralist" and who is a "Terrorist".

Also: The paradox of tolerance can legitimately be used to call intolerant behaviors of individuals. When you use it to define entire population groups as "intolerant", and therefore not worth of protection, you have joined the side that you ostensibly want to fight against.

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