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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by grepnork »

johnisgood wrote: post #186
grepnork wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Here, if the cop sees someone overdosing, they immediately call the ambulance, not walk by and do nothing. This unevidenced claim is probably nonsense in any case, no police officer would simply walk by. They may very well walk by and talk into their radio to summon the right kind of help, or they may be responding to a higher priority call. Just because your mate Bob claims they saw something, doesn't mean Bob had…

I saw it on video (inb4 deepfake), I did not hear it from Bob. So yeah, the cop in London did just simply walk by and did nothing. I can give you the video if you so want.

Go ahead and post.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by dylan604 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #163
elric wrote: post #35

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They've been doing this for years at protests, using "Forward Intelligence Teams". Even back in 2010 [1] there was an action group trying to protest this growing police-state (Fitwatch). The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember. Must be a truly dangerous place... https://web.archive.org/web/20100824175032/http://fitwatch.o...

>* The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember.* Per-capita it’s less than the US.

But with the smaller space for the population, it's nearly total coverage from multiple angles vs the wide distances separating the equivalent number of cameras in the US.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by dylan604 »

card_zero wrote: post #168
dathinab wrote: post #136

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> It's a cliche, but if you have nothing to hide, and intend to protest peacefully, why are you covering your face? because who says the state (and the people acting for it, e.g. police) are always the good guys there is a VERY long history of people being systematically harassed and persecuted for things which really shouldn't be an issue, and might not have been illegal either (but then the moment a state becomes t…

I'm thinking it through, and I've arrived at the puzzling conclusion we shouldn't make it too hard for people to break the law.

Isn't that precisely the point. If there are so many laws that are so easily broken, you have a reason to pickup anyone of interest at any time.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by pmarreck »

orra wrote: post #115
elric wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been doing this for years at protests, using "Forward Intelligence Teams". Even back in 2010 [1] there was an action group trying to protest this growing police-state (Fitwatch). The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember. Must be a truly dangerous place... https://web.archive.org/web/20100824175032/http://fitwatch.o...

> Must be a truly dangerous place... I don't know if you're awaee, but the number of arrests for terrorism has skyrocketed in recent months, in the UK. Sounds terrifying, until you realise people were arrested as terrorists for holding placards. (That fact is of course terrifying, but in a chilling way).

It still arguably complies with the Paradox of Tolerance.

Terrorists (as well as their supporters) are intolerant and non-pluralist. Therefore, for a pluralist society to survive, it must be intolerant of one thing- intolerance.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

Suitably organised protest folks need to roll out anti facial recognition tools. Maybe even turn facial coverings into a source of revenue.

One tool would be methods to blind said facial recognition vans. Cameras are relatively easily "blinded".

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by gregorygoc »

pmarreck wrote: post #206
orra wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Must be a truly dangerous place... I don't know if you're awaee, but the number of arrests for terrorism has skyrocketed in recent months, in the UK. Sounds terrifying, until you realise people were arrested as terrorists for holding placards. (That fact is of course terrifying, but in a chilling way).

It still arguably complies with the Paradox of Tolerance. Terrorists (as well as their supporters) are intolerant and non-pluralist. Therefore, for a pluralist society to survive, it must be intolerant of one thing- intolerance.

It’s basic game theory. If someone is not nice to you, you have to be not nice for them.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by oliyoung »

Shank wrote: post #22

The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

Quickly? London is one of the most CCTV covered cities in the world, and has been since the 70s

As shocking as this is, it's not _surprising_

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Post by fao_ »

JFingleton wrote: post #137
dathinab wrote: post #121

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> The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. they always had been or at least tried, for decades by now, the only thing which had been holding them back was the EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." > Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things? no, and it also has a long track record of not onl…

> EU frequently being like "no wtf UK, that is against human rights, EU law, etc." And yet they are still pushing [0] [0] https://edri.org/our-work/despite-warning-from-lawyers-eu-go...

It's almost like huge organizations built off the backs of many different parties working in tandem, will at times have contradictory aims.
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