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Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

Now I understand why Black Mirror is a British show.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Those 'niche' forums you mention are explicitly excluded from the Act. Apple made the change to advanced security in advance of the bill being finalised, now the government has gone in another direction. All the online safety act does is implement online the law as it stands IRL. British folk have been using the same ID verification systems to validate identity for nightclub admission, passport applications, driving…

> Those 'niche' forums you mention are explicitly excluded from the Act. No, they are not. > Our research indicates that over 100,000 online services are likely to be in scope of the Online Safety Act – from the largest social media platforms to the smallest community forum. We know that new regulation can create uncertainty – particularly for small organisations that may be run on a part time or voluntary basis. htt…

Yes, they are in scope but a "small community forum" has nothing to do but to fill and keep a few self-assessments just in case. There is no requirement to implement age verification across the board (hence why current official guidelines target only porn sites in relation to age verification).

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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The UK is quickly deploying surveillance state technology that people once decried China for. Whether or not this is ethical or useful, I wish the hypocrisy would be acknowledged. The OSA, the Apple encryption demands, LFR, …, it’s clearly a trend. Has society really become this dangerous that we must deploy these things?

They've been doing this for years at protests, using "Forward Intelligence Teams". Even back in 2010 [1] there was an action group trying to protest this growing police-state (Fitwatch). The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember. Must be a truly dangerous place... https://web.archive.org/web/20100824175032/http://fitwatch.o...

>* The UK has had an insane number of CCTV cameras for as long as I can remember.*

Per-capita it’s less than the US.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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It’s very sad how quickly their culture is devolving. I was in the UK last year and I probably won’t be back.

The weirdest thing to me was that all the news stations covered US politics extensively, but said little about domestic politics. Not sure what to make of that.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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> Those 'niche' forums you mention are explicitly excluded from the Act. No, they are not. > Our research indicates that over 100,000 online services are likely to be in scope of the Online Safety Act – from the largest social media platforms to the smallest community forum. We know that new regulation can create uncertainty – particularly for small organisations that may be run on a part time or voluntary basis. htt…

Yes, they are in scope but a "small community forum" has nothing to do but to fill and keep a few self-assessments just in case. There is no requirement to implement age verification across the board (hence why current official guidelines target only porn sites in relation to age verification).

> a few self-assessments just in case

Ah right, just a couple of forms how bad can it possi...

> Step 1: identify the 17 kinds of priority illegal content that need to be separately assessed

lol.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/online-safety/illegal-and-harmful-c...

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Out of curiosity exactly who is this ruling class?

Let's say those people for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partygate

The Conservatives are out of power. They were defeated in the last election.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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And you’re not trans. And you don’t perform drag. And you don’t go to an event with a lot of gay people. And you don’t get mistaken for someone because ai isn’t perfect. (Especially if your race doesn’t have many people in the dataset.) But the people that don’t have anything to fear don’t see anything wrong with “inconveniencing” these groups.

This is the UK, and it's the police controlling these vans. So trans, drag and gay are not at issue here. And somehow, the countries where it is a problem are never discussed. All muslim countries, for example, almost like not all religions are equal ... if you read hrw or amnesty you'll find that even the most moderate muslim countries like Morocco or Turkey deal violently with sexuality (all forms, really, yes, bei…

I'm in particular speaking about the UK, actually. consider how much anti-trans backlash there has been in the country. Consider how in Weimar Germany there was a fair bit of acceptance for the LGBT community that was quickly undone - all it takes is a charismatic leader or a king that goes along with it.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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There's no small irony that facial recognition isn't going to recognise the faces of those currently racing around on e-bikes stealing phones wearing their 'safety balaclavas'. Or, indeed, some of the more militant protesters that are turning up all over the place. It's a cliche, but if you have nothing to hide, and intend to protest peacefully, why are you covering your face?

> It's a cliche, but if you have nothing to hide, and intend to protest peacefully, why are you covering your face? because who says the state (and the people acting for it, e.g. police) are always the good guys there is a VERY long history of people being systematically harassed and persecuted for things which really shouldn't be an issue, and might not have been illegal either (but then the moment a state becomes t…

I'm thinking it through, and I've arrived at the puzzling conclusion we shouldn't make it too hard for people to break the law.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

#169
It's also now the law to remove a face covering when requested by the police (it's supposed to be under certain conditions, but have fun arguing that with a jake). Actually love living in a police state. At least we repealed the law making cable ties illegal I guess.

Re: Facial recognition vans to be rolled out across police forces in England

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Those 'niche' forums you mention are explicitly excluded from the Act. Apple made the change to advanced security in advance of the bill being finalised, now the government has gone in another direction. All the online safety act does is implement online the law as it stands IRL. British folk have been using the same ID verification systems to validate identity for nightclub admission, passport applications, driving…

> Those 'niche' forums you mention are explicitly excluded from the Act. No, they are not. > Our research indicates that over 100,000 online services are likely to be in scope of the Online Safety Act – from the largest social media platforms to the smallest community forum. We know that new regulation can create uncertainty – particularly for small organisations that may be run on a part time or voluntary basis. htt…

I take it you didn't read your own link, the language used is "services".

If you happen to be running the UK panty wetters forum from your own server, then you have a problem, but grandma Jessie's knitting circle is explicitly not in scope.

YOUR link goes on to say

>the more onerous requirements will fall upon the largest services with the highest reach and/or those services that are particularly high risk.

Even if your forum falls in scope, you're only required to do a risk assessment, if at that stage you are likely to have a lot of underage users, then there might be an issue.

However, if you're not an adult site, you only need to comply by providing the lowest level of self certified check. Handily, most of the big forum software providers have already implemented this and offer a free service integration.

Storm meet teacup.

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