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OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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Wow. Illumos / Solaris is still kicking, eh? Really too bad Solaris didn’t stick around and was so horribly mismanaged by Sun. Solaris and Vax/VMS is where I started my career decades ago, and still brings back memories.

It still is!

At Oxide, we have our own illumos (in my understanding, you're supposed to lowercase the i) distribution, discussed on HN a while back https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39178521

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m of the opinion that the acquisition of Sun by Oracle was the worst possible outcome; it guaranteed that Solaris would decline.

Still mad at IBM for screwing the pooch on that one. They basically handed the company to Oracle.

Did IBM consider purchasing Sun?

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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I don't know about Illumos but setting up a Solaris 10 machine to provide block devices through multi path iSCSI was a breeze with all the tooling it had. No config files needed it was all command line.

It was for a university lab and it was the only ever contact I had with Solaris 10 and later versions or forks. I was mildly interested once since it had KVM but support was Intel only so that kept me away.

I remember some hypervisor and storage products based on Illumos like Nexenta and Soylent OS. I'm guessing those projects faded into obscurity.

Which is a shame. A lot of people was optimistic about OpenSolaris when it came out but Oracle gutted it.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

#24

Wow. Illumos / Solaris is still kicking, eh? Really too bad Solaris didn’t stick around and was so horribly mismanaged by Sun. Solaris and Vax/VMS is where I started my career decades ago, and still brings back memories.

It still is, but at this point I'm not sure why anyone would pick it over Linux for something new. All the killer Solaris features (ZFS, dtrace, zones, SMF) have good enough Linux equivalents (OpenZFS, eBPF, containers, systemd) and I'm not aware of any usecases where illumos outperforms Linux anymore.

OpenIndiana also has the problem that every commercial illumos user is using it for some niche purpose (networking infrastructure, storage appliance, that sort of thing) so it's basically up to a few unpaid volunteers working in their free time to adapt it for general desktop use. I'm not sure what the state of stuff like audio support or accelerated graphics looks like if you're on modern hardware.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

#25

As a Hoosier... I had to check the relevance... and learned it's basically a fork^3 of Solaris, a Sun operating system. OpenIndiana[3] Note: I guessed here at [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Solaris

OpenIndiana is more of a downstream distro than a fork of illumos, much like how Ubuntu is a Debian-based distro. Whereas illumos itself is a fork of OpenSolaris.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solaris, basically. Illumos was derived from the old OpenSolaris project. I don't know how much it's diverged, as I don't really follow this much. But that's more or less what it is.

Maybe the Perifractic equivalent of the Sun fanworld can buy the Solaris trademark and rename it!

Solaris is still developed and sold by Oracle, and expected to be supported for a very long time. The current version, Solaris 11.4, is planned to be supported until 2037 at the earliest. The previous major version, Solaris 10, was released in 2005 and is supported until 2027. So they are unlikely to sell the trademark any time soon.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

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As a Hoosier... I had to check the relevance... and learned it's basically a fork^3 of Solaris, a Sun operating system. OpenIndiana[3] Note: I guessed here at [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Solaris

From: https://docs.openindiana.org/misc/openindiana/#what-is-the-o... > Why is it called OpenIndiana? > OpenIndiana obtains its name from Project Indiana, an open source effort by Sun Microsystems (now Oracle Corporation) to produce OpenSolaris, a community developed Unix-like distribution based on Sun Solaris. Project Indiana was led by Ian Murdock, founder of the Debian Linux Distribution. (I never understood the n…

Not sure if Ian Murdock had a say in the naming but his family was from Indiana.

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

#29

As a Hoosier... I had to check the relevance... and learned it's basically a fork^3 of Solaris, a Sun operating system. OpenIndiana[3] Note: I guessed here at [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenIndiana [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illumos [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Solaris

If we are going to talk about 35 years of illumos linkage, we as well go all the way. Using you notation: Solaris Besides the direct lineage, it’s interesting to see cross pollination between different operating systems over the years. Like BSD’s socket interface spreading everywhere (including Windows), ZFS from OpenSolaris to FreeBSD & Linux, then bhyve from FreeBSD to illumos.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_V#SVR4

[1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_III

[2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Version_7_Unix

[3]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix

Re: OpenIndiana: Community-Driven Illumos Distribution

#30

Wow. Illumos / Solaris is still kicking, eh? Really too bad Solaris didn’t stick around and was so horribly mismanaged by Sun. Solaris and Vax/VMS is where I started my career decades ago, and still brings back memories.

I’m of the opinion that the acquisition of Sun by Oracle was the worst possible outcome; it guaranteed that Solaris would decline.

Solaris was the development OS for Oracle for years. I presume that's now shifted to their own linux distro but for many years that was the case, to the point that if you were a serious Oracle customer you ran it on Solaris (and Sun hardware) because all the bug fixes and updates came out first for that platform.

So from that standpoint it makes sense that they acquired it. They probably just didn't care about any non-Oracle users.

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