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Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#11
So in summary, there are different business models which benefit (and penalise) the consumer in different ways. I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.

The real issue here is whether people understand what they're buying in to when they buy the various products.

* Do they understand that Apple are going to restrict you in certain ways? Do you understand what those ways are and what the consequences are?

* Do they understand Google's (financial) interest in your personal data and what that means?

* Do they understand that Amazon are only selling you this stuff as cheaply as they are because it's a down payment on more stuff?

As technology changes, business models change and the nature of the deals you're entering into is becoming more complex with greater consequences than you might have understood.

There's nothing wrong with any of these models and I think the OP is wrong in implying that Apple are in some way "better". The issue is that I don't think that the typical consumer is keeping pace with the changes and, as a result, is potentially entering into deals they don't understand and making choices that don't reflect what they really want or need.

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#12
Captain Obvious here.

Amazon wants you (to buy through them, because they are like Walmart, getting a sliver of each transaction, but making an enormous amount of transactions). You get liberality with content.

Google wants you (to view their ads, because every time they display an ad/make a conversion, they get a sliver). You get liberality with hardware/software.

Apple wants you (to buy an iDevice, because every time you buy an iDevice, you just gave them a 30%-50% of the product price as straight profit, in addition to being locked into their marketplace, which they get a hunk of each sale, in addition to ads being run through free apps and them getting a sliver for the view/conversion). You get a well-done, end-to-end experience.

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#13
I might be on board with this if the author even began to discuss why what Google and Amazon are doing is less than ideal for the consumer, but the main point he's trying to make remains totally unexplained, and in addition I don't agree with his argument about Apple at all.

Why is a kindle fire less than ideal - because they sell books on it? You could make the same argument about every video game system - it's less than ideal because you have to buy video games for it. This isn't because nintendo is evil or lazy, it's just how the system works. A video game system is a device for consuming other peoples' video games (and nintendo's too, if they want), and the kindle fire is a device for consuming other peoples' books.

Why is android less than ideal, because it's ad supported? You could say the same thing about facebook, twitter, and every other company out there that provides a free service supported by ads. Some people don't like this, and this leads to developments like app.net - we'll see how paid services like this do over the next couple of years. But the fact remains that if you don't realize when you sign up for a free service that people are being paid to make that they need to make money somehow, you aren't even thinking.

Then let's move on to all of apple's major devices. You get a iphone, but this relies on a contract with a service provider, which is in fact how apple makes most of their money off iphones. Oh no - immoral!

Or you may buy an ipod, apple's other big product. But what's an ipod without music on it from a third party. Hold up - third party pollution, the ipod is no good as a product.

Or perhaps you buy the only other thing they sell, a computer. But you'd better not put any software on it from a third party, because then it's just a means to an end, not an end in itself.

Overall, I understand the general idea, but this was very poorly thought out and needs more thinking and explanation, not to mention that at least to me, the statement about Apple's products all being an "end" is definitely false.

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#14
wow! Fanboys are getting desperate for attention. Google does just as much of a bait and switch as Apple does. Google does in the form of Ads; Apple does it in the form of "oh, you bought this device! Cool here it is... Oh you wanted MP4's and other media for it? That'll cost you!" You think you're getting a great device but you're just getting something to interact with the media they lease to you.

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#15
post #7

This dude works at Yahoo and can't spell bait. I'm not really sure he deserves a respected opinion. Also, note the last name. Is this a troll?

Troll or not, I would suggest him to not use '✓ Verified Authentic' as a tagline. I was confused if that was a Google+ verification for identities.

Edit: Reason for downvote? The person's infobox looks like [1]. For a person not so active on G+ to realize that the first line is a user defined string and not system generated tag, it is confusing. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/zvaDq.png

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#16

Captain Obvious here. Amazon wants you (to buy through them, because they are like Walmart, getting a sliver of each transaction, but making an enormous amount of transactions). You get liberality with content. Google wants you (to view their ads, because every time they display an ad/make a conversion, they get a sliver). You get liberality with hardware/software. Apple wants you (to buy an iDevice, because every ti…

I agree it is obvious -- to you and I. how do you explain all the disagreement though...

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#17

That explains why Apple supports customers using iDevices however they want, while Google locks down Android and asserts that it should be a federal crime to run unapproved software. Wait. Maybe it's a bit more complex.

Apple thinks (rightly or wrongly) that giving you that control will diminish the experience. I used to hate it when people would install stupid stuff on Windows and then blame Microsoft for their bad Windows experience. It's like buying an and putting a bunch of crappy aftermarket parts in it and then getting angry with the dealership when you're stuck on the side of the road.

But then it is the fault of the user and not really the car dealership. Car dealership do not (cannot?) restrict you from using duplicate/fake/not-their parts, AFAIR. I do not think that anyone would hold the dealership responsible (legally and morally) for, say a mishap that happened because of a faulty fake tire.

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#18
post #13

I might be on board with this if the author even began to discuss why what Google and Amazon are doing is less than ideal for the consumer, but the main point he's trying to make remains totally unexplained, and in addition I don't agree with his argument about Apple at all. Why is a kindle fire less than ideal - because they sell books on it? You could make the same argument about every video game system - it's less…

I buy a video game console to play games. Most of the people I know bought a Fire to get a tablet.

Look, everyone, naturally, caters to the one who's paying the bills. Advertisers are paying the bill. They make money on the ads/books/goods not the device. Therefore the device is secondary.

Re: Google wants you. Amazon wants you. Apple wants you.

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple thinks (rightly or wrongly) that giving you that control will diminish the experience. I used to hate it when people would install stupid stuff on Windows and then blame Microsoft for their bad Windows experience. It's like buying an and putting a bunch of crappy aftermarket parts in it and then getting angry with the dealership when you're stuck on the side of the road.

But then it is the fault of the user and not really the car dealership. Car dealership do not (cannot?) restrict you from using duplicate/fake/not-their parts, AFAIR. I do not think that anyone would hold the dealership responsible (legally and morally) for, say a mishap that happened because of a faulty fake tire.

Windows as a brand suffered greatly at the hands of OEMs and their crappy software, regardless of whose fault it was.
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