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Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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> Versus, if it just gave a curt and unfriendly answer, most people (esp. Americans) I don’t see this as an American thing. It’s an extension of the current Product Management trend to give software quirky and friendly personality. You can see the trend in more than LLM output. It’s in their desktop app that has “Good Morning” and other prominent greetings. Claude Code has quirky status output like “Bamboozling” and…

It most definitely is a American thing - this is why non-native speakers often come out as rude or unfriendly or plain stupid. We don't appreciate how much there is to language.

That might characterize their approach to human interaction, but I don't think any of us can say who will or won't prefer the sycophantic style of the LLM.

It might be the case that it makes the technology far more approachable. Or it makes them feel far less silly for sharing personal thoughts and opinions with the machine. Or it makes them feel validated.

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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This applies to so many AIs. I don't want a bubbly sycophant. I don't want a fake personality or an anime avatar. I just want a helpful assistant. I also don't get wanting to talk to an AI. Unless you are alone, that's going to be irritating for everyone else around.

I want an AI modeled after short-tempered stereotypical Germans or Eastern Europeans, not copying the attitude of non-confrontational Californians that say “dude, that’s awesome!” a dozen times a day. And I mean that unironically.

Ok, then I can write an LLM too - because the guys you mention, if you asked them to write your code for you, would just tell you to get lost (or a more strongly phrased variation thereof).

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I'm pretty sure they want it kissing people's asses because it makes users feel good and therefore more likely to use the LLM more. Versus, if it just gave a curt and unfriendly answer, most people (esp. Americans) wouldn't like to use it as much. Just a hypothesis.

Genuine people personalities FTW.

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I've spent a lot of time trying to get LLM to generate things in a specific way, the biggest take away I have is, if you tell it "don't do xyz" it will always have in the back of its mind "do xyz" and any chance it gets it will take to "do xyz" When working on art projects, my trick is to specifically give all feedback constructively, carefully avoiding framing things in terms of the inverse or parts to remove.

As Freud said, there is no negation in the unconscious.

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You're absolutely right! I also get this too often, when I sometimes say something like "would it be maybe better to do it like this?" and then it replies that I'm absolutely right, and starts writing new code. While I was rather wondering what Claude may think and advice me whether that's the best way to go forward.

This is indeed super annoying. I always have to add something like "Don't do anything just yet, but could it be ..."

Yes, I've had to tell it over and over again "I'm just researching options and feasibility, I don't want code".

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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You're absolutely right! I also get this too often, when I sometimes say something like "would it be maybe better to do it like this?" and then it replies that I'm absolutely right, and starts writing new code. While I was rather wondering what Claude may think and advice me whether that's the best way to go forward.

I suspect this might be cultural thing. Some people might formulate their strong opinions that your approach is bad and your task should be done in another as gentle suggestions to avoid hurting your feelings. And Claude learned to stick to this cultural norm of communication. As a workaround I try to word my questions to Claude in a way that does not leave any possibility to interpret them as showing my preferences.…

It feels like it trained on a whole lot of "compliment sandwich" responses and then failed to learn from the meat of that sandwich.

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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I've spent a lot of time trying to get LLM to generate things in a specific way, the biggest take away I have is, if you tell it "don't do xyz" it will always have in the back of its mind "do xyz" and any chance it gets it will take to "do xyz" When working on art projects, my trick is to specifically give all feedback constructively, carefully avoiding framing things in terms of the inverse or parts to remove.

> the biggest take away I have is, if you tell it "don't do xyz" it will always have in the back of its mind "do xyz" and any chance it gets it will take to "do xyz" You're absolutely right! This can actually extend even to things like safety guardrails. If you tell or even train an AI to not be Mecha-Hitler, you're indirectly raising the probability that it might sometimes go Mecha-Hitler. It's one of many reasons w…

> You're absolutely right!

Claude?

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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I've spent a lot of time trying to get LLM to generate things in a specific way, the biggest take away I have is, if you tell it "don't do xyz" it will always have in the back of its mind "do xyz" and any chance it gets it will take to "do xyz" When working on art projects, my trick is to specifically give all feedback constructively, carefully avoiding framing things in terms of the inverse or parts to remove.

Makes me think of the movie Inception: "I say to you, don't think about elephants. What are you thinking about?"

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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post #150

I've spent a lot of time trying to get LLM to generate things in a specific way, the biggest take away I have is, if you tell it "don't do xyz" it will always have in the back of its mind "do xyz" and any chance it gets it will take to "do xyz" When working on art projects, my trick is to specifically give all feedback constructively, carefully avoiding framing things in terms of the inverse or parts to remove.

I have this same problem. I’ve added a bunch of instructuons to try and stop ChatGPT being so sycophantic, and now it always mentions something about how it’s going to be ‘straight to the point’ or give me a ‘no bs version’. So now I just have that as the intro instead of ‘that’s a sharp observation’

No fluff

Re: Claude says “You're absolutely right!” about everything

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I'm pretty sure they want it kissing people's asses because it makes users feel good and therefore more likely to use the LLM more. Versus, if it just gave a curt and unfriendly answer, most people (esp. Americans) wouldn't like to use it as much. Just a hypothesis.

I'm curious what Americans have to do with this, do you have any sources to back up your conjecture, or is this just prejudice?

It's common for foreigners to come to America and feel that everyone is extremely polite. Especially eastern bloc countries which tend to be very blunt and direct. I for one think that the politeness in America is one of the cultures better qualities.

Does it translate into people wanting sycophantic chat bots? Maybe, but I don't know a single American that actually likes when llms act that way.

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