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Please Don't Promote Wayland
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Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#12The primary argument is to avoid fragmentation sprinkled with some other not-well-thought-through points. Distros aren't rolling back to X11. That ship has sailed. You can either help move things along, or drag your feet and increase fragmentation - the thing being complained about..
Everything under the "security" section of this article is so unbelievably wrong, that I'm not sure if it's worth anybody's time to refute one by one.
Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#13> Hardware Support: Nvidia users face particular challenges, and many specialized hardware configurations simply don't work reliably.
> The XLibre project continues this legacy with active community development.
Guess what? Nvidia users also "face particular challenges", and many normal hardware configurations simply don't work reliably under XLibre either. I guess Linus was right, don't use Nvidia.
Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#14I am very open to Wayland in theory but I legit worry because it's been in the air for years and years and it still feels so far away. And some of the Wayland-y points around things like security just never felt relevant to me. Though the real pain points for me have been around the various containerization things that just cause things like my IME to barely function. At least Python 3 if you started your project on…
It’s mostly application support that’s lagging, right?
And of course window managers like i3 needing complete replacement, but those seem to be mostly down already.
Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#15I literally don't have the words to look down my nose at this. Former X11 contributor, compositor contributor, active distro maintainer. I just can't. I laughed. I scoffed. I incredulously looked at how much time someone with some braincells put into this.
I don't care, I'm saying it. Fuck your fragmentation whining. USERS WANT THEIR SHIT TO WORK. They expect high refresh monitors to work. They expect to be able to use a fking external monitor alongside their hidpi laptop. They need to be able to use actual fractional scaling, again with varying dpi monitors.
They want their shit to work reliably and not tear. Wayland delivers on this. Now. In a way X11 never EVER will.
God Jesus fuck i cannot believe how much people's time has been wasted on this bullshit useless banal conversation.
Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#16This reads as significantly AI-assisted and repetitive.
And some of the points are really questionable, like claiming “Color management becomes inconsistent” when X11 doesn’t even support HDR, claiming that Linux containers and namespaces somehow mitigate X11’s security issues (that’s not how it works!), and talking about some outdated issues like NVIDIA support and SSH forwarding (both of which shouldn’t be an issue anymore from what I’ve heard).
Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#17I’m not a fan of Wayland or a detractor of X. I’m not personally invested in either of them. I couldn’t care less what’s pushing pixels at my screen as long as it works. That said, what you need to know about Wayland is that the X.org devs mostly migrated to it en masse because they said X had hit an evolutionary dead end and couldn’t be dragged into the present, by the design of it. These were the people who were al…
It looks to me like there are quite a few more basic features fundamentally incompatible with Wayland's architecture than X's. Maybe X has issues but Wayland is still a regression.
Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#18They mention macOS as "one platform with consistent APIs and behavior". But macOS (or NeXTStep, as it started out as), an actual UNIX system (certified!), chose not to use X11 to achieve that, but to entirely roll their own.
Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#19The primary argument is to avoid fragmentation sprinkled with some other not-well-thought-through points. Distros aren't rolling back to X11. That ship has sailed. You can either help move things along, or drag your feet and increase fragmentation - the thing being complained about.. Everything under the "security" section of this article is so unbelievably wrong, that I'm not sure if it's worth anybody's time to ref…
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Re: Please Don't Promote Wayland
#20Unfortunate that this page largely shills XLibre, the X fork by the guy who got ejected from contributing to Xorg when he landed a bunch of code that was blatantly untested, leading to tons of his commits getting reverted. Like, I am not a fan of Wayland, still using X on my machine, but from what I've seen of his posting, this guy isn't great PR for the "X is fine actually" camp.