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Is the A.I. Boom Turning Into an A.I. Bubble?

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> The global pandemic will tank the stock market > War in Ukraine will tank the stock market > High interest rates will tank the stock market > Tariffs will tank the stock market > IA will tank the stock market All those statements made sense to me at the time. And I have no doubt that one of these days, someone will make a correct prediction. But who the hell know what and when. Diversify, be reasonable and be prepa…

Trump election will tank the stock market - Many nobel prize economists and experts .

He did though. The S&P 500 fell 18% around Mar/Apr. That's unprecedented for a US market experiencing no external shocks.

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People have been saying this at least for the last 10 years. I think if advancements stop being made at a rapid clip, the bubble might implode. But every year it seems like its a whole new ballgame.

When LLMs start playing the stock market autonomously, then we should start worrying.

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Of course it's a bubble. It's only about 20% as useful as the claims driving the current irrational exuberance. All it can do is generate pictures and text, and we had those _coming out our eyeballs_ for at least a decade. Prior to generative AI, each of us already had more access to images and text with which to stimulate ourselves than we could consume in a lifetime.

When did we forget that discovering "truth" via symbol manipulation is a fraught proposition at best? It was in the 17th century that Leibniz proposed that encoding logical propositions into a propositional calculus would allow all intellectual disputes to be resolved mechanically.

"For it would suffice for them to take their pencils in their hands and to sit down at the abacus, and say to each other (and if they so wish also to a friend called to help): Let us calculate."

The original AI bro! Any day now...

I've been thinking lately that the real value of a piece of code is that there is at least one human alive somewhere supporting it. You remove that, and the value proposition gets extremely shaky. Folks are going to have to learn this first hand as their brain becomes full of echoes of LLM output, rather than the output being an echo of some brain process (you know, _actual_ intelligence).

But sure, if you can convince enough people that you've invented a real magic 8-ball, you might be able to convince enough of them to shake it for the rest of their lives. Me, I'm not convinced that the marginal value of "new" text and images is there.

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It's helping me find things, understand things and do things. I'm sure some of those startups will figure something out that makes sense. And eat the rest.

This was the story of Amazon in the .com bubble, but buying Amazon in 1999 was not a good deal. Even if you know who the winner is going to be, you can still lose.

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> The global pandemic will tank the stock market > War in Ukraine will tank the stock market > High interest rates will tank the stock market > Tariffs will tank the stock market > IA will tank the stock market All those statements made sense to me at the time. And I have no doubt that one of these days, someone will make a correct prediction. But who the hell know what and when. Diversify, be reasonable and be prepa…

You present these as straw man exaggerations, but they were real things that happened.

> The global pandemic will tank the stock market

It actually did screw up the economies of a lot of countries and companies and it messed with stock markets as well. It increased debt worldwide, it increased unemployment that took years to recover.

> High interest rates will tank the stock market

There is a well established relationship between lower stock market returns when there is high interest rates.

> War in Ukraine will tank the stock market

It significantly hurt the Russian stock market, at least the sanctions did. But war tends to be a stimulus for the economy as long as it isn't too large of a war.

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People have been saying this at least for the last 10 years. I think if advancements stop being made at a rapid clip, the bubble might implode. But every year it seems like its a whole new ballgame. When LLMs start playing the stock market autonomously, then we should start worrying.

Oh, man, there have been 10 years since ChatGPT made the news in 2022?

How time flies!

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> The global pandemic will tank the stock market > War in Ukraine will tank the stock market > High interest rates will tank the stock market > Tariffs will tank the stock market > IA will tank the stock market All those statements made sense to me at the time. And I have no doubt that one of these days, someone will make a correct prediction. But who the hell know what and when. Diversify, be reasonable and be prepa…

Yeah, the way I describe it is: rich people are rich and the money has to be put somewhere .

And rich people aren't getting richer through smarter investments, but by wealth accumulation on existing assets that people need.

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> The global pandemic will tank the stock market > War in Ukraine will tank the stock market > High interest rates will tank the stock market > Tariffs will tank the stock market > IA will tank the stock market All those statements made sense to me at the time. And I have no doubt that one of these days, someone will make a correct prediction. But who the hell know what and when. Diversify, be reasonable and be prepa…

Yeah, the way I describe it is: rich people are rich and the money has to be put somewhere .

From 2004 to 2009, the inflation rate was less than 4% each year. Gold was $443 an ounce in March 2005 and $975 an ounce in March 2008. Yes rich people had to put their money somewhere as banks and then corporate America started to collapse during the surprise crisis, they took them out of equities for banks offering subprime mortgages and put them into assets like precious metals and the like.

Also in 1999 MSFT was $57 a share. In 2009 it was $16 a share. It cracked $57 again in 2016. 17 years to go sideways.

Cisco never reached its 2000 peak again. Of course companies like Pets.com just went out of business.

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