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Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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I’ve had similar issues. I don’t think it’s productivity, but rather purpose. People need to feel some kind of purpose in life. If your job is all you have in your life, a lack of purpose in it hits hard. If you have a family, friends, and hobbies, in addition to the job, there is more balance. A lack of purpose in one area doesn’t lead to an overall feeling of unhappiness, because there are other areas where you can…

This really resonates with me. The part about purpose is something that I've seen as a separate struggle but you might be right and they're the same. I've brought this up to family and friends but they don't really understand. I tell them that I feel empty because I don't feel like I have a purpose. I don't feel like I'm doing anything meaningful. If my work ended tomorrow, people would quickly find another solution or probably just not need another solution.

My friends have moved at a different pace than me. They're married and having kids soon so I expected to see them less. I think sometimes I purposefully distance myself because of this fact.

I do have hobbies like reading and drawing but I also get stuck trying to figure out how I can make those into projects instead of just enjoying them as they are.

I find myself in your story, especially "dealing with my career is easier than facing those other parts of life I'm less adept at navigating". It feels easy to just dive into work and avoid everything else. Even the last part. Thinking about what I would do if I didn't have my job as a constant. I'm sorry to hear about your feelings of lack of purpose. I read a quote that I don't really remember fully but it was something along the lines of you don't know the answer because it's not the right time. So I'm hoping that the answer to my question of purpose reveals itself in time.

Thank you for sharing your story and insight. It's given me more to think about.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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Because in our modern world, productivity is virtue. And if you want to live a virtuous life(= better self image, self actualization), you need to live a productive life.

That's what the modern culture have told you.

It wasn't always this way, but at some point, increase in productivity stopped being the burden of the system and shifted to burden of the individual.

Henry Ford or early factories didn't tell "each worker to be more productive", it looked at how the production system could be made more productive. At some point, this was offloaded to the individual. (it did both in reality)

But if you determine your self worth by how much you get done, you will forever feel worthless.

Maybe this can make you think it from another angle: Productivity rips you apart https://youtu.be/VQK64SrYkzs?feature=shared

For me it helped when I consciously trained to shift my attention from "how much I've done = how much left I need to do and/or compared to others" to "how much I've done = how much I've done compared to previous me (checkpoint towards the past) and if the trendline is upward OR I'm actually enjoying the process". In practice this meant that every time anxiety creeps in, at the spot (this is important), I "pause", and try to consciously steer my anxious thought patterns to one that evaluate my done/productivity the other way.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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Bad parenting. High expectations, or just ridiculous expectations, fuck up people to seek external validation at all phases of life. It's also a form of neglect because you get used to the concept of trading value for love.

I think about this sometimes, and my upbringing wasn't great, but it feels like the past is the past so I should move on. I've tried to bring it up to family before but it wasn't well received. If this is something you've struggled with (trading value for love), have you found ways to break out of that cycle?

Just begin telling yourself you should have never had to earn your parents love with external outcomes. The love should have been free (this realization can make you break down and cry and it’ll be a really good cry, trust me). Really internalize that. Don’t be pissed about it, but always remember that daily.

Some small therapy (a few sessions) can help to articulate it and get it out. Should be okay. Basically you have to realize you have a dysfunctional version of self love from all of it.

You wouldn’t treat your own kid like that so that’s all you need to know. I was just reading a /r/ptsd (which is something you might have) about a girl who was single in her 30s and feels like a failure to her parents for not being married and having kids. It’s utterly fucked parenting, I hear about it all the time.

Also, your parents invalidating this is a form of gas-lighting. You’re gonna have to love the fuck out of yourself somehow, every last bit of you. Every little hobby, every little post, every little attire, every little imperfection, every little achievement. Your family didn’t know how to love properly and now you don’t.

As you start this process, you will feel shame. It’s part of the process. What kind of adult judges their parents like this? A fucked up one (seriously). Not fucked up as in “bad”, fucked up as in the conveyor built in the factory dropped you and you are fucked up. That’s okay, and your ass is going to have to deal with it (the most adult thing you’ll ever do, and it’ll take awhile).

PTSD is real.

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Lastly, people in life are not stupid. Everyone may not know everything, but just about everyone’s subconscious knows the truth. You can prove it to yourself by simply observing your emotions, they didn’t come out of thin air. You didn’t just hang out in a vacuum in space and return to Earth feeling this way and that way about things. Shit happened, you and the universe know it. Your soul will not let you rest until you heal it.

Best of luck!

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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A mantra that worked for me: Productive engineers are happy engineers. Happy engineers are productive engineers. It's a self-sustaining loop. One option is a minimum of happiness - brightly lit office, decent food, music. The other option is a minimum of productivity. I like to wash dishes after a bad day lol. Work from office. Use AI to handle the blank page problem (you can reject everything it says afterwards). Th…

> I like to wash dishes after a bad day lol Man, there is so much wisdom in that single sentence. I didn't think I'd read something like this here. Kudos for figuring that out and thanks for spelling it out so clearly. Readers who think this is silly, please think twice.

Credit to a severely depressed friend for this one. After doing the cycle of therapist, pills, self-help books, etc, what helped the most was housework. It didn't solve the problems, but it kept her going day after day.

There's actual research on happiness a while back, and it ended with the concept of flow. Csikszentmihalyi found that people were unhappiest when watching TV and happiest when doing something of moderate challenge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)

But why is TV the natural response to stress?

I think people in an exploitative culture have trouble with work. There's the mindset that the rich are where they deserve to be because they exploit, while the scrubs that work hard are where they deserve to be because they're exploitable. So there's an aversion to productivity, and people think the escape is apathy.

But there's also some human nature to be productive and contribute; unproductive genes would likely go extinct. And there's also a desire to be challenged. A desire to move things from a state of chaos to order.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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A mantra that worked for me: Productive engineers are happy engineers. Happy engineers are productive engineers. It's a self-sustaining loop. One option is a minimum of happiness - brightly lit office, decent food, music. The other option is a minimum of productivity. I like to wash dishes after a bad day lol. Work from office. Use AI to handle the blank page problem (you can reject everything it says afterwards). Th…

My living situation has been a bit chaotic over the last few years, mostly moving around between family members so I haven't really had a good working environment. Usually just a spot I can place my laptop down. I do think a better environment would help me out. Sometimes I go to Ikea and wish I could have a nice desk and setup. It's funny you mention washing dishes because that's one of my favorite ways to relax hah…

Rent a private office. Preferably with 24-hour access. Wifi is a bonus and commonly included. It helps to have dedicated workspaces. A coffee shop could work if it has a good setup for coding & good coffee. Create the space for the project, and then you'll have the time for side projects.

As for design it takes time but being able to dedicate time to the top-down grand scheme and then go bottom-up is crucial for any size project. What are the fundamental requirements? Keep it simple. Deconstruct all aspects into single-purpose functions. One input, one output, & repeat. The ongoing pattern is to change the level of abstraction used for reviewing the project at any range, from a function to the whole project. These reflexes take time to build, and working on a side project daily is an excellent way to discover what patterns work best for your programming style and the project you're working on.

And big project ideas provide a field of side projects to discover. So wade into the water and find some fundamental piece of your larger idea. And then zoom in on that. When you're considering optimizations of compiled code to run a single binary on a static empty container image, you've gone deep enough.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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Happiness != good emotions. If you’re seeking for good emotions to feel happiness you’re not any different from a junkie. Modern culture promotes this false idea that happiness == good emotions. Because it sells. The secret is not to buy into this myth. Whether by yourself or with help of psychiatrists depending on how deep is the problem.

If it's not happiness == good emotions then what does equal good emotions?

Emotions are just emotions.

They are important information signals to survive, and they add flavour and colors to our life.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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Well, productivity is good. It's good to solve important problems and to move them out of other people's way, so that they can solve more important problems to move out of others people's way, and so on and so forth. It's probably a good and natural thing to feel happy when you've been or are being productive. I don't see a problem with that in a vacuum, that just seems normal.

What's less normal is tying yourself to being unhappy to being unproductive, which obviously sucks when you're in a productivity lull. I don't know what the solution is but I think that's the half of the equation I'd focus on.

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

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A mantra that worked for me: Productive engineers are happy engineers. Happy engineers are productive engineers. It's a self-sustaining loop. One option is a minimum of happiness - brightly lit office, decent food, music. The other option is a minimum of productivity. I like to wash dishes after a bad day lol. Work from office. Use AI to handle the blank page problem (you can reject everything it says afterwards). Th…

> I like to wash dishes after a bad day lol Man, there is so much wisdom in that single sentence. I didn't think I'd read something like this here. Kudos for figuring that out and thanks for spelling it out so clearly. Readers who think this is silly, please think twice.

there is a saying "busy hands, calm mind"

Re: Ask HN: Why Is My Happiness Tied to My Productivity?

#29
Our minds thrive on the little dopamine hits we get from accomplishing something worthwhile. It can be something simple like cleaning your bedroom or losing 5 pounds. It can be coding a new feature or fixing a perplexing bug.

If your day is full of little victories, you can live a happy, fulfilling life; even if you don't do something grandiose like curing cancer or setting a world record.

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