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How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by tasuki »

jayknight wrote: post #32
blitztime wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d say bluffing in poker isn’t really lying. I mean you certainly can look at it that way, but another way to look at it is “I have good hands here more often than you do so here strategically you have to fold when I bet”

The difference between a lie and a surprise is that soon everyone will know what the surprise was. A lie has the intention of concealing the truth forever.

> A lie has the intention of concealing the truth forever.

Is that a thing... in English? Or in some specific part of the world?

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by Etheryte »

entropic88 wrote: post #67
nielsbot wrote: post #50

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I suppose you can simply hold your card in your hands with the back facing you. Or use some kind of vertical holder.

Like.. a headband?

We need venture capitalists to fund the next game-changing vertical holder market disruptor.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by Muvasa »

A lot of starcraft players transitioned to Poker. Because both games require decision making in a system with incomplete information(like real life). That's why parents should teach their kids how to play poker. Otherwise they risk going by in life without critical cognitive skills.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by Muvasa »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #110
sans_souse wrote: post #97

I'm surprised at the general tone of response here towards the subject of poker overall (I didn't read the article yet so perhaps something more is in the context, but all the same); I understand there are many in the poker world even regarding the most successful of whom are regarded as living a degenerate lifestyle, but being that I was previously in that world myself and was not a degenerate type; I never gambled…

I mention this in threads/replies below: It's a warped puritanism. I agree with everything you've said, and I think we'd have better politics, economics, human relationships and fun, if more people got their heads out of their posteriors and actually understood poker more.

It's kinda disgusting that people have such a visceral reaction.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by gwd »

mna_ wrote: post #127

Start your kids onto the path of gambling? No thanks. Better to teach them chess, xiangqi, shogi or go/baduk.

Life is full of uncertainty. Learning to take calculated risks, where most attempts fail but a few ones pay off big, is an important life skill. Reading other people's behavior to infer hidden information is another one -- Jane Street apparently used to have people learn poker to learn how to infer hidden information from the behavior of other people buying and selling stocks, but invented their own game (https://www.figgie.com/) to teach the same skills more efficiently.

ETA: I would say, when poker is taught correctly, it should discourage anyone from the sorts of gambling which are problematic:

Problem 1: Wasting your money in situations where the odds are "with the house". This would include playing slot machines or basically anything at a casino, the lottery, or even 50/50 raffles (although I can see an exception for the last one).

Poker should teach you to only take bets where the expected value (value of winning * prob winning) is greater than the cost, which is not true in the above examples.

Problem 2: Getting sucked into betting more and more to make up what you've already lost. One aspect of long-term poker should be teaching you is how to manage this effectively.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by gwd »

prawn wrote: post #96

I taught our youngest Monopoly Deal with similar simplification: removed all but properties, birthday and debt collector/etc. Then added property stealing/swapping. Then rent. It was very effective in getting her quickly up to speed.

So hang on, you play with just properties and simple cards; so in this simplified version of the game, you're mainly just trying to collect sets?

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by Muvasa »

tamat wrote: post #120
PaulRobinson wrote: post #108

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Why? Poker is a great way to learn a lot of life lessons about human psychology, money management, strategy vs tactics, game theory, and so much more. There is this weird protestant puritanism around so many aspects of life that confuse me. Every child is going to become an adult, but there is this attitude that they must be shielded from all adult knowledge until they're 21 as if that's helpful. Your kid can - throu…

It´s about normalizing something we think it could lead to problems. I dont want to romanticize the game in his mind, so when he grows up people ask him to play poker and he sees it as "that nice game we played at home!". It is a game with very strong connections with gambling. There are thousands of other games without that association which are as rewarding as poker.

park chess players gamble. Going to a chess tournament with a prize pool and paying an entry fee is gambling. In germany magic the gathering tournaments are banned since they are deemed as gambling.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by prawn »

gwd wrote: post #138
prawn wrote: post #96

I taught our youngest Monopoly Deal with similar simplification: removed all but properties, birthday and debt collector/etc. Then added property stealing/swapping. Then rent. It was very effective in getting her quickly up to speed.

So hang on, you play with just properties and simple cards; so in this simplified version of the game, you're mainly just trying to collect sets?

Yes, first step is teaching set collection. Then teach tactics that involve the other players’ sets. Then the full disaster. Easier than explaining rent to 4-5yo from the start.
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