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How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by sitzkrieg »

PaulHoule wrote: post #27

Had some family come over and play Texas Hold’em with us and their kids. It was clear they were too stupid to be intimidated so there was no possibility of bluffing, instead I just folded over and over again until I had two really good cards and then would see me no matter what I bet and ai grew my bankroll that way.

playing poker with the following truly undermines the entire experience:

people that dont understand rules 100%

wagers with no real value (time/money/snacks)

people who dont want to play outright

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by jayknight »

blitztime wrote: post #30
robocat wrote: post #3

Training your kids how to lie convincingly to you -- what could go wrong?

I’d say bluffing in poker isn’t really lying. I mean you certainly can look at it that way, but another way to look at it is “I have good hands here more often than you do so here strategically you have to fold when I bet”

The difference between a lie and a surprise is that soon everyone will know what the surprise was. A lie has the intention of concealing the truth forever.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by owlninja »

btilly wrote: post #21
thebigspacefuck wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just makes you a tight passive player which is not the worst kind of player to be but also not likely to win you a lot of money

Being a loose aggressive player is far more likely to lead to you losing a lot of money, than winning a lot of money. Once you consider what the house earns, poker is a net negative for the players. In order for there to be some big winners, there have to be a lot of losers. And a shocking number of those losers will, thanks to our selective memories, consider themselves winning players.

In popular poker you are just playing against other players, not the house.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by mattnewton »

citizenkeen wrote: post #26

I have found Skull to be a superior form of poker for people who want the game without the chip evaluation, and it teaches the same skills.

This, eliminates most of the probability math and distills it just down to the game theory and bluffing aspects. One of my favorite games.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by eszed »

owlninja wrote: post #33
btilly wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a loose aggressive player is far more likely to lead to you losing a lot of money, than winning a lot of money. Once you consider what the house earns, poker is a net negative for the players. In order for there to be some big winners, there have to be a lot of losers. And a shocking number of those losers will, thanks to our selective memories, consider themselves winning players.

In popular poker you are just playing against other players, not the house.

Doesn't the house take a percentage of the pot ("rake", isn't it called?).

Not a poker player, just thought that was a thing.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by wrs »

djeastm wrote: post #15
TZubiri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a common misconception that poker is about lying or that you need to lie to play poker. You can bet with a bad hand, but you don't need to say you have a good hand, if asked you can say you either have a bad hand or a good hand, without any impact to your strategy. Lying holds no advantage in poker, you can easily play poker without lying, no correlation is intrinsic to the game or its rules, it's just a common…

If we replace the word "lying" with "deception" does that change anything?

Poker players very seldom outright lie, like saying out loud "hey everybody, my hand is great!", and it's usually not just simple "deception" either.

How about "behaving in a way that increases the probability of your particular adversaries making incorrect inferences about your situation"?

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by albedoa »

eszed wrote: post #35
owlninja wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In popular poker you are just playing against other players, not the house.

Doesn't the house take a percentage of the pot ("rake", isn't it called?). Not a poker player, just thought that was a thing.

Yes. The person you are responding to doesn't quite understand the comment they are responding to :) The rake can turn a breakeven or even winning player into a losing player. That's what we mean.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by calvinmorrison »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #31
PaulHoule wrote: post #27

Had some family come over and play Texas Hold’em with us and their kids. It was clear they were too stupid to be intimidated so there was no possibility of bluffing, instead I just folded over and over again until I had two really good cards and then would see me no matter what I bet and ai grew my bankroll that way.

playing poker with the following truly undermines the entire experience: people that dont understand rules 100% wagers with no real value (time/money/snacks) people who dont want to play outright

GTO goes out the window when a drunk guy sits down with a few friends. Either you're gonna grab the pot a few times or bust because the dude went all in with dueces against your KA. he wins a flush on the river.

Re: How to teach your kids to play poker: Start with one card

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Post by bobbiechen »

I like this. Most people try to teach card games by listing every rule, but it's much easier to play a simpler version then add in new rules.

I play the Chinese card game Zhao Peng You (Finding Friends, part of the Sheng Ji family of games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheng_ji), which is a trick taking game with a trump suit that changes between games, a trump number that changes between games, and a team selection mechanic rather than fixed teams. It's insanely hard to learn everything at once, so we usually start new people with fixed teams and trumps just to get the feel of a team-based trick-taking game, before adding in the complications.

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