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Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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Does anyone know where BBC Micros were manufactured? Sinclair's ZX machines (and C5s) were made in Dundee.

I tracked down this snippet which says who built it:

"A feature it shares with the BBC is that it is an all-British product; designed by Acorn, it is being built by ICL and Cleartone with custom-built chips by Ferranti."

From this article: http://www.stairwaytohell.com/articles/cr-BBCMicro-CToday.ht...

This from The Reg has detail on production and the race to win the place as BBC computer partner - http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/30/bbc_micro_model_b_30th....

This guy, who appears to be an authority, mentions the above and AB Electronics, see http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/BBCMicros.html. He details info on the companies in the Acorn ecosystem, http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Companies.html, but appears to miss out the suppliers ...

http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/docs/Mags/AU/AU_Nov84_IndiaTakes... gives detail of the Indian manufacture by Semiconductor Complex Ltd [under license from the American Rockwell Corp] and Mexican production by Harry Mazal (a company). It notes that the ULA will continue to be made by Acorn themselves (presumably in the UK).

>In both China and India, the consumer markets are comparatively small, but, as the Indian deal shows, the educational and industrial sectors are massive. And both countries are crying out for western technology //

Talk about turn-around.

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Edit:

http://yourcomputeronline.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/bbcs-prot... mentions:

>Acorn will probably subcontract assembly to Cleartone in Abercarn; the Department of Industry’s £60,000 contribution meant that assembly would have to be in Britain. It will be marketed under licence from a box number, by mail-order. //

Looking back http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/BBCAI2.html shows an Abercarn manufactured issue 2.

Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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> we had been unable to find a British manufacturer [...] who believed that the project would be enough of a success for them to risk line space for us. I think that sums up current European attitudes to manufacturing and capitalism all too well, sadly. Note how they eventually ended up with a Welsh factory... owned and run by Sony. And what does a supposedly business-friendly government do? Worry about building hous…

Well, our ageing housing stock, escalating house prices and lack of urban social mobility does warrant focus on housing, the knock on effects for the construction industry also show this as being a sensible economic policy as well as solving an increasing socioeconomic problem. I'm not sure how using a Welsh factory shows how this government is anti capitalist or anti manufacturing - given that Wales is in the UK and…

My point was that it's not a British factory: it's a Sony-owned plant that happens to be in the UK at this point in time. Sony is a Japanese-American corporation; all this chest-beating is quite unwarranted.

The point about capitalism is that "Euro" capitalists don't want to face any risk, as this story proves: British money didn't want to back the Pi when it was unproven, and even now they could only find Japanese-American money.

I live in the North-West of England. I'm surrounded by modern (and mostly empty) high-rise developments built in the last 15 years, alternating with cheap new low-rise which have been rebuilt from scratch on the ashes of failed towns, and they're slowly decaying again, because the problem is that you can't maintain a nice house without a nice job, and construction jobs are not even for local people these days.

the sort of jobs that provide social mobility are in services (as we all know on HN), in high-quality manufacturing, and in the public sector; and it's clear this government has no idea how to help those sectors.

Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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That is the key thing I question and makes me wonder about EMS in the UK. There are literally dozens of vendors who would kill for that job here in the States - even without any guarantee of repeat order. There just must not be very many there in the UK. (I do understand some of what it takes to setup and run a manufacturing line, I work with several EMSes both in the US and China and run a [smaller scale] electronic…

drone, does 30 workers needed for 30,000 units a month for this makes sense ? it seems pretty high for an automated process.

It depends on the design (PTH or SMD). A lot of PTH takes a lot of people, as many parts still can't be machine-placed.

The facility we use an hour from us runs about 600 PTH units (about 40 components/board) on one assembly line with 10 people in about 4 hours. I doubt one would always work them at that level. Lead-bending, wave soldering is all pretty much automated.

The bulk of an SMD process is done by pick-and-place, our stuff gets run on 10,000+ CPH machines. You need one person to load/de-load panels and switch out feeders - and one person can work multiple machines if everything is set up right. The machines in general are really good these days.

Printing and machining the PCBs takes some time, but this is a process that can flow continuously once you let a little backlog build up at each stage. Electrical testing can be slow at the back-end, as is polishing board edges, packaging, etc.

I could see it taking 30 people to do 10k a month, but the same 30 people possibly capable of 60k+ a month. It depends on where you load them in the process. The more SMD the more volume you can get up to the testing/packaging stage. rPi is mostly SMD, with some PTH - so they have to mix the processes, but its really hard to avoid...)

Notably, however, if you look at the Hackberry (which I like better, btw!) the vast majority of the connectors are SMD. I wonder if the rPI could see some labor savings (at higher BOM) by switching to them.

One thing we've been working on in-house is making big automated jigs to program and test entire panels of devices at once, before they're de-paneled. These are really expensive to make though (think $5k+ per jig) - but they save us thousands of hours of labor a year. We're moving to make machines that can do it without jigs now. Fun stuff =)

Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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I spoke with Raspberry Pi about this for a news story I wrote. They said this about manufacturing: "The temptation is always to push manufacturing to a low-cost region, but I think with the right attention to detail there's no reason British manufacturing can't compete in a global marketplace," Eben Upton, founder of the Raspberry Pi foundation told ZDNet UK on Thursday. "It shows that British manufacturing can be co…

Just a small one, but the Teensy creator was looking into moving manufacturing to the US. I just found out about the Teensy 3.0 on Kickstarter[1] actually, but it doesn't mention anything about the manufacturing.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/paulstoffregen/teensy-30...

Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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Great news! However, it would be even better if everything were made in the UK. Would be nice if the US could follow suit. Unfortunately it usually isn't good for business. But I don't believe that the government should interfere with free trade to promote such things.

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That's not a problem, if you drive on it at 2am.

It was last week; I had to go 20 minutes through Bristol to go from the M5 to the M4 as they had closed the entire junction :(

Despite my previous attempts to moonlight as a Brit, I'm an American. As such, I find the stereotypical British aversion to driving long distances amusing. I know I would be upset at driving 20 minutes out of the way if my journey was shorter than an hour, but I (and many other Americans) frequently drive hundreds of miles in one journey every week/month/multiple times per year.

I moderated a subreddit once upon a time with two Brits who lived about an hour apart. I mentioned to them that I had just attended a meeting with a company that was directly in between their towns, and said "I was just in your neighborhood". They vehemently denied that their neighborhood stretched for a half-hour journey. Meanwhile in America, our stomping grounds can sometimes cover a hundred miles in each direction.

Sorry for going off-topic >_> As an American I don't get a chance to talk to foreigners often.

Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was last week; I had to go 20 minutes through Bristol to go from the M5 to the M4 as they had closed the entire junction :(

Despite my previous attempts to moonlight as a Brit, I'm an American. As such, I find the stereotypical British aversion to driving long distances amusing. I know I would be upset at driving 20 minutes out of the way if my journey was shorter than an hour, but I (and many other Americans) frequently drive hundreds of miles in one journey every week/month/multiple times per year. I moderated a subreddit once upon a ti…

More fun than representative or informative: max mobility demand for unemployment-related benefits in various countries (UK, US, Germany: 1.5-2h, Spain: 30Km, Turkey:...).

http://www.cesifo-group.de/ifoHome/facts/DICE/Labour-Market-...

Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was last week; I had to go 20 minutes through Bristol to go from the M5 to the M4 as they had closed the entire junction :(

Despite my previous attempts to moonlight as a Brit, I'm an American. As such, I find the stereotypical British aversion to driving long distances amusing. I know I would be upset at driving 20 minutes out of the way if my journey was shorter than an hour, but I (and many other Americans) frequently drive hundreds of miles in one journey every week/month/multiple times per year. I moderated a subreddit once upon a ti…

I have always enjoyed the following phrase:

To an american, a hundred years is a long time. To a brit, a hundred miles is a long way.

It's definitely true, like you say, and also its faux-profundity makes me laugh.

Re: Raspberry Pi moves manufacturing to the UK

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I spoke with Raspberry Pi about this for a news story I wrote. They said this about manufacturing: "The temptation is always to push manufacturing to a low-cost region, but I think with the right attention to detail there's no reason British manufacturing can't compete in a global marketplace," Eben Upton, founder of the Raspberry Pi foundation told ZDNet UK on Thursday. "It shows that British manufacturing can be co…

A lot of professional sound studio gear is still being made in the UK and the US (and has always been. Studio types are very picky about the origin of the gear they are using).

I think people should not be picky about the origin but the quality. If you really care about local manufacturing then making it competitive should be your priority and not charity or warm fuzzy feelings. Tough love and all that.
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