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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by JohnFen »

pjmlp wrote: post #314
mvdtnz wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will Good grief. Sometimes it's good to get a reminder that there are still people who think this way.

On my office, only folks like myself that also do Windows development, have Thinkpads with Windows. Everyone else carries Apple devices. GNU/Linux only exists on local VMs for containers, or servers on cloud instances.

There's a huge regional variation on this. In some parts of the US, Apple is everywhere. In others, it's rare enough to be worthy of comment when it gets spotted in the wild.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

ezoe wrote: post #268
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

You forgot to mention the gaming section. Microsoft is acquiring a lot of game developers, put it on hold for a few years, then close subsidiary and layoff all employees. I guess generating hype by acquisition and increase valuation cause more profit than developing a real product. I'm beginning to think that using Microsoft services(yes, GitHub included) is morally questionable behaviour right now. I can't support t…

Yes, the whole XBox division has been a mess, especially after ABK.

However XBox plus Microsoft Gaming Studios, is still one of the biggest group of AAA publishers, they have a big enough slice of the market.

Hence why now they're dominating PlayStation charts with cross-platform games.

Many Microsoft haters don't have an good enough idea of how big they have become on games industry, regardless of layoffs and such.

SteamOS keeps being around until they feel like doing a netbooks like move, taking all their games out of Steam, or whatever else Microsoft might think of.

Hence why I regularly complain Valve should keep trying to bring developers to target GNU/Linux natively instead of translating Windows games.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by alecco »

theptip wrote: post #307
827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

> Google has world-class research teams that have produced unbelievable models, without any plan at all on how those make it into their products beyond forcing a chat window into Google Drive. NotebookLM is a genuinely novel AI-first product. YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product. Extremely slow, but the obvious incremental…

The best and latest Gemini Pro model is not SOTA. The only good things it has are the huge context and the low API price. But I had to stop using it because it kept contradicting itself in the walls of text it produces. (My paid account was forced to pay for AI with a price hike so I tried for a couple of months to see if I could make it work with prompt engineering, no luck).

Google researchers are great, but Engineering is dropping like a stone, and management is a complete disaster. Starting with their Indian McKinsey CEO moving core engineering teams to India.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/01/google-cuts-hundreds-of-core...

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

yread wrote: post #203
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Why do people need to create anthropomorphising narratives around companies? Don't be any company's cheerleader, use the stuff that's best for you (and the environment)

Agreed, but apparently company cheerleadering never goes away.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

justin66 wrote: post #309
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

> Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. That happened three decades ago.

There was a new wind after Satya took over, but apparently it is slowly gone now.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by aruggirello »

beefnugs wrote: post #9
buyucu wrote: post #2

Expect Github to get worse. Much worse.

What more damage can they do besides train AI on all code without consent? Oh wait i guess fisting ads into other peoples code somehow...

Who knows? Deprecate manual code writing someday? 'You're trying to commit some code, sir, but Microsoft Defender©, Git Edition™ has determined it wasn't generated by any of our tools, as reported by telemetry, so changes have been blocked for your own convenience, safety and ultimately, wellbeing. Starting september, 2029 we're only accepting commands from Microsoft products such as Visual Studio Autocode©, Cortana AGI Edition™ and Microsoft Office 2028 Clippy©. Please ask Microsoft James Bond® to take action and he'll solve the issue for you [Charges may apply]. We're also deprecating git push, pull, etc. since Microsoft Tools are so much more secure, optimized and convenient that nobody wants to use those ancient commands anymore.'

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by quesera »

IshKebab wrote: post #77
reversengineer wrote: post #17

GitLab is like, really good. No need to put your codebase in the "cloud."

It's... ok. But many of the really useful features are paid. E.g. merge trains or mandatory reviews. I also don't think "it's open source!" is a huge differentiator because it's enormous, difficult to deploy from source and written in Ruby so the chance of being able to actually modify it for some feature you want is near zero. I think Forgejo is probably a way better option at this point even if it is less mature. I…

> written in Ruby so the chance of being able to actually modify it for some feature you want is near zero

That's a silly thing to say.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by everfrustrated »

nicce wrote: post #147
rickette wrote: post #119

Lots of comments here remind me of the time GitHub was purchased by Microsoft. It would be the dead of GitHub. While in fact it got better: GitHub Actions (pretty neat CI system) happend under Microsoft. Free private repos happend under Microsoft. Now this time it could be different. But last time wasn't that bad imho.

Has there been any reports whether GitHub actually makes any money?

Microsoft doesn't disclose much but there were headlines in 2022 saying they were now at $1B annual recurring revenue.

Now with copilot I'd be surprised if they weren't profitable

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pjmlp »

everfrustrated wrote: post #315
newspaper1 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an odd comment. Xamarin has never been relevant. GitHub is historically OSS focused. Xamarin was some weird niche product for Windows devs. Hardly any overlap with GitHub’s core audience. I don’t know what will happen next, but hodgepodge of weird MS tech isn’t the lens to view this through.

Didn't the Xamarin guy became the CEO of GitHub at one point?

One of them, yes.

Miguel never did, and is now focused on Swift and Apple.

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