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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by JohnFen »

bee_rider wrote: post #143
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

> Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies.

They are very different companies in very different businesses. Apple is a hardware company, Microsoft is a software company. That affects everything (and is why the two are not fundamentally competitors).

I don't think one has ever been better behaved than the other at all, though. The main difference is that for most of their time, Microsoft was just in a position where it could do more harm than Apple.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by qntmfred »

bsimpson wrote: post #248
codingdave wrote: post #233

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead o…

From a product POV, GitHub seems like a solved problem. It's been working well-enough with the current feature set for over a decade, with many companies building themselves on top of its stack. If they stagnate in MS bureaucracy but keep the lights on for push/pull/PRs, that's probably good enough for most people until something completely changes how software is made.

Dear GitHub wasn't all that long ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10904671

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by zemo »

827a wrote: post #163

My deepest concern at this time isn't that AI eventually gets written down to nothing; because I don't think it will. Its that these companies are so scared of being out-competed by an AI-first competitor that they're willing to make deep sacrifices to their core businesses just to effectively virtue signal that they're AI first and unable to be out-competed. It is deeply concerning because all things point to realit…

> Apple has nothing

I always hear this but people use Siri all the time, and I think outside of talking to programmers, a lot of consumers probably consider that the level of AI they care about using. "is Siri really AI" seems like a real "is a hotdog a sandwich" question. Who cares? People eat hot dogs and talk to Siri.

It seems what Apple has less of is LLM products that cost enormous sums of money to make that people don't like using. Sure, they have a little of it, they fell flat on their faces with their news summaries thing last year and AppleVision was a nothingburger, but when it comes to "sinking huge amounts of money into deeply unpopular ventures", it seems to me that Apple's reluctance to deploy its largess here might be prudent. It seems like they're less exposed on the hype.

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Post by zzo38computer »

If you want to make a better version control service, then you might consider:

- Free public repositories and free API access.

- Mutual TLS authentication. Use X.509 extensions for partial delegation of authorization, so that someone can issue a certificate to themself or others with a limited set of permissions.

- Mirroring on multiple independent services.

- Allow SHA-1 (for compatibility with a lot of existing repositories that use it, and anyone using software that does not support other hashing algorithms) but also allow other more secure hashing algorithms to be used in case you do not want to use SHA-1.

- Make the HTML to work without CSS and JavaScripts (even if they can provide enhancements, do not make them required).

- Support some parts of the GitHub API, in order that existing software which uses GitHub API will be able to work with it.

- If you are making a new API as well, then it might use DER, that can use binary data, non-Unicode text data, etc better.

- Do not require TLS for read-only access to public data (but still allow using TLS even in this case).

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by QuercusMax »

herval wrote: post #298
sho_hn wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

Apple is certainly fumbling in recent years, and it's clearly behind in some games (Siri, AI in general, iPhones turning into a yearly snooze-fest). But of all the FAANG, I'd say it's the only one I trust, simply because they're not trying to sell my data and have a consistent stance on security.

Tim Cook giving Trump a gold-plated statue in exchange for tariff preferences seems like a very bad sign.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by shayief »

reversengineer wrote: post #17

GitLab is like, really good. No need to put your codebase in the "cloud."

I'll plug another option Gitpatch, however it's pretty early beta and not open-source yet, but most likely will be under AGPL at some point. It has built-in patch stacks (aka stacked PRs) and probably faster than any other Git host out there. disclosure: I'm the author.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by hnlmorg »

sunshine-o wrote: post #300
mindcrash wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or even better, claim full sovereignty (again) and install Forgejo ( https://forgejo.org/ ) on your own hardware. You'll get the same experience as Codeberg, because Codeberg is in fact running on Forgejo

For hosting and publishing your code maybe. But the power of Github is more the social platform and collaboration at global scale. In that sense the only mature alternative I know is Radicle - https://radicle.xyz/

This is what people forget about GitHub. Its popularity isn't because it has the best tools on the market. It is popular because of the network effect. It's the social network of developer tooling.

I don't really want to be using a Microsoft product but I use github for the same reason I use Linkedin: because it benefits my career to be visible on these social networks.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by AgentME »

wirrbel wrote: post #254
BizarroLand wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 7 was pretty cool, and XP was practically unbeatable despite its many many flaws.

I always wonder at these attributions. Like all windows versions gave you bluescreen and ran Microsoft excel. To me not one stood out particularly bad or good compared to the others maybe after Windows 98 service pack something

Windows Vista got saner permissions support and made the OS survive certain kinds of driver crashes, but on launch a lot of existing software and drivers weren't updated to support those changes so it got a bad reputation. Nobody gave Windows proper credit for these advancements until Windows 7 which had a cleaner launch since most software and drivers were already updated for Vista's changes.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by cyberax »

bee_rider wrote: post #143
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

> Even among tech people, they have good will

Only among people who don't have to develop for the Apple ecosystem.

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