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GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by meta_ai_x »

pbiggar wrote: post #140
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

Not just that, but Microsoft's reputation is in the process of taking a nose dive over its human rights record https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/06/microsoft-isra...

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

sho_hn wrote: post #226
bee_rider wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple and Microsoft seem very different companies. Apple is stylish and cool by default, with occasional stumbles. Even among tech people, they have good will even though they seem to regard the Open Source community with total ambivalence at best. Microsoft is the Walmart of operating system providers, that happened to buy a popular Git hosting site and briefly made noises that seemed not awful. In terms of coolness…

> Even among tech people, they have good will Wait, do they? I mostly remember: - A neglected desktop OS with slowly deteriorating quality - Aimless products like the Vision Pro that seems to have failed as the "get the devs excited" premium SDK launch everyone described it as - Rocky start issues on Apple Intelligence, nerfed Siri, etc. - Unexciting iPhone launch and lots of ridicule levied on Liquid Glass It's the…

> but I'd say few tech people have been excited about Apple otherwise lately, as product or platform

And probably fewer still consider switching to the alternatives. Apple is, for better or worse, usually the least bad option.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by pathartl »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

> Then there is the issue they seem to be shoting into all directions, with GUI frameworks, Web, Blazor, Aspire, to see what sticks.

... what?

They could do a better job with the native frameworks, but the rest of these are completely unrelated. For web, MVC is pretty much dead and you might want to use Blazor SSR instead. Web API via controllers is still supported, but minimal API endpoints are the hot thing. Blazor is being treated as a first class product. Aspire is there to assist in local orchestration of distributed applications... and is built on Blazor.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by radicalbyte »

9dev wrote: post #139
layer8 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some more indication: > “Just like how Bill [Gates] had this idea of Microsoft being a bunch of software developers building a bunch of software, I want our platform, for any enterprise or any organization, to be able to be the thing they turn into their own agent factory,” said Parikh [the CoreAI team lead]. That Bill Gates analogy seems rather far-fetched, though.

That sounds horrible. Who wants that??

It sounds like the kind of plan which would come from the Xbox division.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by crinkly »

waihtis wrote: post #104
pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

You really think Microsoft has been ”cool” for the past decade or so? First the rampant spyware, then they gradually wreck every single piece of software into unusable buggy AI-slop-mess just to play the trashy MBA valuation games. I still hold nostalgic value for the old OSes (say up to XP/7) but everything after has been nothing but maximal profit extraction. Dont get me started on Azure

Yeah that.

HN has a short memory. About 10 years ago everyone was all over Satya like he was Jesus' second coming.

Look where we are now.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by tremon »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #31
elAhmo wrote: post #4

This was inevitable and going towards the direction, but it is sad to see this part of CoreAI division. Copilot and other AI initiatives should not be the primary driver of GitHub's vision.

Github may have more value as the largest software training corpus in the world than as a paid VCS, and Microsoft gets to uniquely utilize that as they will have non rate limited internal APIs and/or dumps to train on.

This -- Github's future is as a training source for Microsoft's AI products, and as a honeypot for collecting more training data.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by dusanh »

mdaniel wrote: post #47
reversengineer wrote: post #17

GitLab is like, really good. No need to put your codebase in the "cloud."

In my experience, the "really good" is that it comes batteries included: - completely docker based CI/CD which makes reasoning about what it's going to do easier than "read through some minified .js from some rando" - they do have composable CI/CD akin to the GitHub Actions marketplace, but I haven't used it as much in anger to speak to how valuable it is versus "competitive checkbox feature" - built-in Terraform Sta…

I can map most of the list but I can't recall what would be the "review environment setup" What did you mean by that?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by bsimpson »

codingdave wrote: post #233

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead o…

From a product POV, GitHub seems like a solved problem. It's been working well-enough with the current feature set for over a decade, with many companies building themselves on top of its stack. If they stagnate in MS bureaucracy but keep the lights on for push/pull/PRs, that's probably good enough for most people until something completely changes how software is made.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by rpep »

ghc wrote: post #117
brightball wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m glad Gitlab is still an option, just sitting there waiting to absorb the market pivot if Microsoft takes it the wrong way.

Among enterprises I work with, I'm seeing way more migration to self-hosted Gitlab than I was a few years ago. Even among Azure-dependent orgs.

I think there’s some risk with this though too - more and more is behind the enterprise tier. People try to work around this in various ways but its an unsatisfying experience. For e.g. trying to enforce merge request approval with pipeline stages.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by mperham »

pfisch wrote: post #176
pbiggar wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just that, but Microsoft's reputation is in the process of taking a nose dive over its human rights record https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/06/microsoft-isra...

Nobody even knows about this, no one thinks "Microsoft, hell no, they are a key player in the gaza conflict." No one really associates human rights with Microsoft's reputation. That is the domain of Palantir, Meta, etc.

I guess you speak for everyone?

I very much do look very negatively on Microsoft as a collaborator with modern fascist regimes, along with Meta, Palantir, X, etc.

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