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Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

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Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#41
It’s like autocomplete on steroids.

When code autocomplete first came out everyone thought software engineering would become 10x more productive.

Then it turned out writing code was only a small part of the complex endeavor of designing, building, and shipping a software system.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#42

AI does 0% of my work and we are actively hiring. As someone mentioned on another AI thread, if AI is so good why aren't people just doing 15 PRs a day on open source projects like Node.js, React, Kubernetes, Linux, Ansible, etc? AI is sometimes a productivity booster for a dev, sometimes not. And it's unpredictable when it will and won't be. It's not great at giving you confidence signals when you should be skeptica…

You don't use any AI - drafting documentation, write boilerplate code, transcribing meetings, simplifying team communications, searching product documentation, alternative to Google or StackOverflow, creating presentations, as a brainstorming partner? I would consider all of these "work".

If you say AI does 0% of your work, I'd say you're either a genius, behind the curve or being disingenuous.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#43
I work with rather 'basic' CRUD applications with CMS and user management portals + some integrations to CRM systems etc. There is a lot of legacy stuff and rather bad practices or no general style guidelines followed.

AI helps here and there but honestly the bottleneck for output is not how fast the code is produced. Task priorization, lacking requirements, information silos and similar issues cause a lot of 'non-coding work' for developers (and probably just waiting around for some who don't want to take initiative). Also I think the most time consuming coding task is usually debugging and AI tools don't really excel at that in my experience.

That being said, we are not hiring at the moment but that really doesn't have anything to do with AI.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#44
post #15

Its a nice productivity and capability boost that feels on the same magnitude as, for example, React. The "dream" of it being able to just take tickets and agentically get a PR up for review is possible for ~5% of tickets. That goes up to ~10% if your organization has no standards at all, including even a self-serving standard like "at least make sure the repository remains useful to future AI usage". My organization…

> Stack Overflow has to be actually dead at this point. There's no reason to go there, or even Google, anymore.

If, like the meme, you just copied from SO without using your brain then yes AI is comparable.

If you appreciate SO for the discussion (peer review) about the answers and contrasting approaches sometimes out of left field, well good luck because AI can't and won't give you that.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#45

Morale is low because leaders think AI can do that amount of work, but it can’t actually (at least not yet). This both means that they don’t hire enough people to do the work needed, while also “drive by” insulting the intelligence of the people they are overworking.

This has been my observation as well. To add, I'm seeing leadership and stakeholders use their chats with LLMs to justify claims like "what I'm asking for is incredibly simple according to ChatGPT, and it should be done by end of today." Of course it rarely is, because the prompt is underspecified, the LLM solution is oversimplified, and it lacks context on the complexities of existing codebase, and the team's develo…

and the LLM probably responded with "You're absolutely right!" to every idea they asked about.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#46
I work in hardware design and verification. I've seen many AI-based EDA tools proposed at conferences but in the team that I'm working now I haven't seen AI being adopted at all. Among the proposed tools that caught my attention: generating SystemVerilog assertions from natural language prompts, generating code fixes from lint errors, generating requirements, vplans and verification metrics from specifications written in natural language, using LLMs inside IDE's as coding agents and chat bots to query the code. I think the hardware industry will be harder to penetrate by AI because hardware companies are more secretive about their HDL code and they go to great lengths to avoid leaks. That's why most of them have an in-house IT infrastructure and they avoid the cloud as much as possible especially when it comes to storing HDL code, running HDL simulations, formal verification tools and synthesis. Even if they were to employ locally hosted AI solutions that would require big investments in expensive GPUs and expensive electricity bills: the industry giants will afford it while the little players won't. The ultimate goal is to tapeout bug-free chips and AI can be a great source of bugs if not properly supervised. So humans are still the main cogs in the machine here. LLMs and coding agents can make our jobs a whole lot easier and pleasant by taking care of the boring tasks and leaving us with the higher level decisions, but they won't replace us any time soon.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#47
post #37

Worried about the next generation who - I think - will not learn normally (incl whatever it does to the brain) and may never reach the degree of engineering capability some of us have. Tired of leadership who think productivity will raise. Tired of AI summaries sent around unreflected as meeting minutes / action items. Tired of working and responding on these.

Seriously, AI meeting summaries are such shit. I see my name tasked with things I never committed to, or I see conclusions or action items grossly misrepresented, to a degree that any actual person who wrote those would lose their job. Stop using this shit please. What a waste of time and energy.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#48
I think currently once you get into the weeds of a project the AI can only really lend a helping hand, rather than do 30-50% of the work.

It can kickstart new projects to get over the blank page syndrome but after that there's still work, either prompting or fixing it yourself.

There are requirements-led approaches where you can try to stay in prompt mode as much as possible (like feeding spec to a junior dev) but there is a point where you just have to do things yourself.

Software development has never been about lines of code, it has always required a lot of back and forth discussion, decisions, digging into company/domain lore to get the background on stuff.

Reviewing AI code, and lots of it, is hard work - it can get stuff wrong when you least expect it ("I'll just stub out this authentication so it returns true and our test passes")

With all that in mind though, as someone who would pay other devs to do work I would be horrified if someone spent a week writing unit tests that I can clearly see an AI would generate in 30 seconds. There are some task that just make sense for AI to do now.

Re: Ask HN: With all the AI hype, how are software engineers feeling?

#49

I feel like I suddenly have a superpower. I'm wearing glasses that tell me who all the fucking assholes and impostors are.

Do you mind elaborating on how? It's hard to say if it's sarcasm or you're referring to some genuinely interesting insight.
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