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Mexico to US livestock trade halted due to screwworm spread

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Re: Mexico to US livestock trade halted due to screwworm spread

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Post by macintux »

bloomingeek wrote: post #203
timr wrote: post #174

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From the other link on the front page about this subject [1]: > Illegal cattle smuggling, long considered one of the most efficient money-laundering routes for the drug cartels which terrorised San Pedro Sula, is regarded as the main reason for the accelerating advance. Up to 800,000 cattle a year are illicitly raised in nature reserves, such as the UNESCO-protected Rio Platano Biosphere in Honduras, and then smuggle…

> So for those who keep trying to make the connection, it has little, if anything, to do with US politics. Right now, as the world turns, we have the greatest number of appointees in positions of governmental influence on policies, that have no idea what they are doing because of a lack of expertise. Almost all these vital positions are politically appointed by the current administration. Need an example: soon the po…

Yeah, the way we’re turning our backs on one of the most important medical miracles in recent years is horrifying. I hope COVID or something worse doesn’t cause too much carnage.

Re: Mexico to US livestock trade halted due to screwworm spread

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Post by Teever »

wonderwonder wrote: post #204
fc417fc802 wrote: post #198

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I agree. We certainly aren't at fault for the existence of organized crime in general . However our aggressively exported drug policy is very obviously the root that props up the Mexican and South American drug cartels (among others). There's decades of academic literature and economic analysis on this point. When a parasite is spreading due to a large scale money laundering tactic by a large scale criminal enterpris…

Good thing we are considering approving military force against the cartels. Optimally those large scale criminal enterprises will soon find themselves to be of much smaller scale after we start drone striking them. The cartels are already being hurt by the increased security along our southern borders as well as the large crackdown from Mexican authorities as they seek to appease Trump. Incredible that we could have…

Are you concerned about the possibility that the cartels can strike back with their own drones?

If they do so, what do you feel should be the correct response?

Re: Mexico to US livestock trade halted due to screwworm spread

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Post by shazbotter »

Aurornis wrote: post #108
erredois wrote: post #100

Coming from a family that has cattle and dairy cows in south eastern Brazil, where screwworm is endemic, I was surprised when I listened to a podcast about screwworm, and some of the descriptions about how huge the problem was in the US. After some research it appears it affects more climates that are always hot and humid, and big operations where the animals are not being checked frequently. Also the handling at the…

> I was surprised when I listened to a podcast about screwworm, and some of the descriptions about how huge the problem was in the US. It’s not a huge problem in the US. We eradicated screwworm in the 60s. We are trying very hard to keep it out. The US normally works very hard to monitor and prevent these situations in trade partners. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flesh-eating-scre...

Was. Was in the U.S.

Was is past tense, indicating a historical problem, not a current one.

Re: Mexico to US livestock trade halted due to screwworm spread

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Post by wonderwonder »

Teever wrote: post #212
wonderwonder wrote: post #204

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Good thing we are considering approving military force against the cartels. Optimally those large scale criminal enterprises will soon find themselves to be of much smaller scale after we start drone striking them. The cartels are already being hurt by the increased security along our southern borders as well as the large crackdown from Mexican authorities as they seek to appease Trump. Incredible that we could have…

Are you concerned about the possibility that the cartels can strike back with their own drones? If they do so, what do you feel should be the correct response?

Absolute overwhelming force where what happened serves as a cautionary tale for generations

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Post by ajmurmann »

alephnerd wrote: post #105
andsoitis wrote: post #64

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Not essential. We can eat less beef. Better for health, the environment.

> Better for health, the environment. India has an equally large cattle industry that outproduces American dairy and cattle, yet their industry has a fraction of the carbon and methane impact as American dairy and cattle rearing [0] because the feed used in Indian industry is crop residue instead of industrialized meat+grain mixtures. American Ag is hyperconsolidated into 3 processors [1] which makes it difficult for…

Could I start a processor today and disrupt them? (Real question, I know almost noting and meat processing)

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Post by fc417fc802 »

wonderwonder wrote: post #214
Teever wrote: post #212

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Are you concerned about the possibility that the cartels can strike back with their own drones? If they do so, what do you feel should be the correct response?

Absolute overwhelming force where what happened serves as a cautionary tale for generations

So in other words adopt a policy by which we shoot ourselves in the foot (several times over) and disrupt our neighbors. Double down on said policy by burning lots of cash to provide military assistance to our destabilized neighbor in the form of bombs (we sure do seem to love those). In the event this has negative consequences (ie our own citizens are killed) burn even more cash bombing the perpetrators into the ground (surely this won't result in any collateral damage or ill will).

To me that reads as a convenient step by step guide to undermining our own freedoms while destabilizing our neighbors. Perhaps in turn you'll propose the solution of occupying Mexico to "maintain security"?

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Post by bryant »

DangitBobby wrote: post #202
bryant wrote: post #138

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https://www.agri-pulse.com/articles/22636-bird-flu-screwworm... > Among the GHS projects killed were some dedicated to *monitoring and containing avian flu and New World Screwworm in Central America, monitoring* avian flu outbreaks in Asia and improving the detection of new strains, and efforts to combat swine fever, according to a person familiar with the situation granted anonymity to speak frankly. you might not h…

This was downvoted because...?

I misspelled "defunded" so that could be why.

I tease. Folks have strong opinions on the topic.

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Post by alephnerd »

ajmurmann wrote: post #215
alephnerd wrote: post #105

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> Better for health, the environment. India has an equally large cattle industry that outproduces American dairy and cattle, yet their industry has a fraction of the carbon and methane impact as American dairy and cattle rearing [0] because the feed used in Indian industry is crop residue instead of industrialized meat+grain mixtures. American Ag is hyperconsolidated into 3 processors [1] which makes it difficult for…

Could I start a processor today and disrupt them? (Real question, I know almost noting and meat processing)

Nope. These are organizations that can generate multi-billion dollar revenues, and could outcompete based on investment capacity alone.

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Post by Teever »

wonderwonder wrote: post #214
Teever wrote: post #212

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Are you concerned about the possibility that the cartels can strike back with their own drones? If they do so, what do you feel should be the correct response?

Absolute overwhelming force where what happened serves as a cautionary tale for generations

Does America have the economic, social, and industrial resources to wage such warfare with the cartels?

America has spent trillions on two failed wars in the past 25 years, and lacks the economic capability to produce artillery shells to aid Ukraine.

At the same time it needs to build up industrial capacity to defend against an impending war in the pacific and it doesn't seem to be able to do that.

It is unlikely that engaging in all out war with the cartels is a viable path at this time.

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