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Hire People Who Care (2020)

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A lot of the criticism in this thread sounds like it’s coming from people who don’t give a shit and just want a paycheck Some people are motivated by what they produce at work, not their compensation The benefit of this being from 2020 is we can see he was right, he built a colossal company at breakneck speed

Are you looking for a job by any chance? I promise you'll have the opportunity to produce great things for extremely mediocre compensation. That's what you want, right?

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It would be nice if the employer also cared in return, however in my experience, this is exceptionally rare. I think more than a fair share of us here learned our lessons in investing ourselves rather sharply. It rarely, if ever, pays off for the worker.

In practice what would an employer caring look like to you?

Employer who pays themselves less than they pay their employees.

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

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post #5

It would be nice if the employer also cared in return, however in my experience, this is exceptionally rare. I think more than a fair share of us here learned our lessons in investing ourselves rather sharply. It rarely, if ever, pays off for the worker.

In practice what would an employer caring look like to you?

When I was producing no-budget movies (people work for you without pay!) the secret trick was to keep a mental list of why people were here. Diana the camera assistant was here because she liked to learn, John the actor was here because he liked to try some things out, Linda was here to meet people, Joe was here because he is your friend.

Now you only need to make sure the basics (food, shelter, etc) is alright and that everybody gets what they came for each day.

So to answer your question: What it looks like for an employer to care depends on the specifc employee. Some may just look for financial benefits, others (like me) may just want to be given the time and means to do their job well, yet others value free rime more than money, or a better office, more autonomy within their domain or whatnot. The wishes are many.

But you need to first get the basics right, and many fail at that.

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

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post #5

It would be nice if the employer also cared in return, however in my experience, this is exceptionally rare. I think more than a fair share of us here learned our lessons in investing ourselves rather sharply. It rarely, if ever, pays off for the worker.

Yeah they're literally paying you money so they don't have to.

That, at best, is dehumanizing the employer. There is no corporate structure that exists without humans making the decisions at some point in the chain. The decisions might be abstracted or broken into small chunks, but it's still humans at the bottom.

And humans that replace caring with money are assholes.

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

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A lot of the criticism in this thread sounds like it’s coming from people who don’t give a shit and just want a paycheck Some people are motivated by what they produce at work, not their compensation The benefit of this being from 2020 is we can see he was right, he built a colossal company at breakneck speed

Are you looking for a job by any chance? I promise you'll have the opportunity to produce great things for extremely mediocre compensation. That's what you want, right?

Are you hiring? I can work for minimum wage.

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

#56

I read through all the comments and it is amazing that nobody is mentioning the fact that the reason why this 2020 post is coming up now is because of this: Scale recently laid off 200 full-time employees and terminated 500 contractor positions. The CEO, author of the post, went to work for Meta. https://scale.com/blog/scale-ai-announces-next-phase-of-comp...

I agree that this information is highly interesting and relevant considering the content of the article.

On the other hand, I can easily imagine why nobody mentioned this fact befor you did: only few people read startup gossip.

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

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Comments disabled. 2.7 rating on Glassdoor for work/life balance at Scale. I’m sure it’s nothing.

As to the substance of the article, I agree with the title, but the line of interview questions used is trying to answer “how many hours can we squeeze out of you?”. Being concerned your company will become a credential rather than a cult? I’m not here to drink the Kool-Aid, I’m here to do the work and then do the other things I care about outside of work.

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What risk/return are they expecting employees to accept? What risk/return are they willing to accept? Any advantage they give themselves over the employee, to me, means they don't care.

I don’t understand what you’re talking about; could you please give some sort of example, or perhaps further elaborate?

Well a classic would be to insist the employee treats the company like "family" and comes in when someone misses their shift on their free day.

But when the employee is in need the employer discards them like an expendable resource, instead of making good on the "we are family"-tagline.

Work world is full of these one-sided "deals".

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

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post #5

It would be nice if the employer also cared in return, however in my experience, this is exceptionally rare. I think more than a fair share of us here learned our lessons in investing ourselves rather sharply. It rarely, if ever, pays off for the worker.

Yeah they're literally paying you money so they don't have to.

No, they are giving you a tiny fraction of the cake you earn them. The fact is that you are there to make them money.

Re: Hire People Who Care (2020)

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A lot of the criticism in this thread sounds like it’s coming from people who don’t give a shit and just want a paycheck Some people are motivated by what they produce at work, not their compensation The benefit of this being from 2020 is we can see he was right, he built a colossal company at breakneck speed

I give a shit, want a paycheck, _and_ want a life outside of work.

It's completely possible to want fair hours while also caring. And, like many commenters, I'm frustrated with employers that want more than a third of my waking existence.

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