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Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by Vinnl »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #9

I'm French and every idiot supports it, even the so-called left. There is nothing I can do except donate money every month to GrapheneOS ( https://grapheneos.org/donate ). Democracy is dead for me.

That sounds like contacting your MEPs could at least be worth it. Usually when it comes to things like this, the parties that I'd consider voting for already vote the way I'd like them to do.

(In this case it's even better - my country opposes, even though the governing parties are not mine.)

Re: Fight Chat Control

#83

Post by alphazard »

So what is the real solution? Meaning the solution that an individual could use themselves, without further coordination, to insulate themselves from this policy. Is it an Android distribution? Jailbreaking? Custom builds?

Re: Fight Chat Control

#84

Post by rdm_blackhole »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #62
realusername wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France is just very regressive when it comes to the internet, any laws which can make the situation worse is usually voted by all parties (see neighbouring rights or any anti-piracy laws), I don't think there's any real reasoning.

The country is predominantly Catholic. So both prudish views on sexual content, but also wanting to pretend sexual abuse by priests in their religion, and their religion protecting those priests, isn't the problem - nope, it's the interwebs creating child abusers. That is coupled with racist fear of terrorist attacks being committed by the African and middle eastern immigrant populations. Sure are a lot of white elep…

As a French person, let me tell you you are wrong.

French people mostly don't give a shit about religion and do not have any prudish views. We have many nudists beaches and women are regularly topless on the beach. Talking about sex if accepted in society and between friends and family.

So it's not about that at all.

What most French people are though is little children that need to be guided and protected by the state. Without the state they are lost. If you look at the news, the most recurring theme is: "why hasn't the government solved this problem for us poor souls? We are helpless, help us!"

Therefore French people accept the state and all that it encompasses. They have little protests here and there and sometime they succeed in making the state back down but in the end the state usually wins.

It's a form of learned helplessness and a very sad and toxic relationship between the French state and it's citizens.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#85

Post by jaharios »

101008 wrote: post #38

I was very pissed at this, and when I read this part I couldn't continue, it boiled my blood. > *EU politicians exempt themselves from this surveillance under "professional secrecy" rules. They get privacy. You and your family do not. Demand fairness.

A lot of actual pedophiles will be exposed if it was used on politicians, we don't want that.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#86

Post by [deleted] »

Telemakhos wrote: post #52
pessimizer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What really should be done is to disallow proposals, which are kinda the same. This very much exists in a lot of parliamentary rules authorities, but it's usually limited to once per "session." They just need to make rules that span sessions that raise the bar for introducing substantially similar legislation. It can easily be argued that passing something that failed to pass before, multiple times, should require…

Is there no way to codify a negative right, like “The right of the European people to privacy in their communications and security in their records through encryption shall not be infringed?” Negative rights reserved to the people should be more important than positive laws granting power to the government.

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Re: Fight Chat Control

#87

Post by medlazik »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #9

I'm French and every idiot supports it, even the so-called left. There is nothing I can do except donate money every month to GrapheneOS ( https://grapheneos.org/donate ). Democracy is dead for me.

Not sure what you call the "so-called left", but the actual left (LFI) certainly doesn't support Chat Control

Re: Fight Chat Control

#88

Post by cloudhead »

jaharios wrote: post #85
101008 wrote: post #38

I was very pissed at this, and when I read this part I couldn't continue, it boiled my blood. > *EU politicians exempt themselves from this surveillance under "professional secrecy" rules. They get privacy. You and your family do not. Demand fairness.

A lot of actual pedophiles will be exposed if it was used on politicians, we don't want that.

This.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#89

Post by wazoox »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #9

I'm French and every idiot supports it, even the so-called left. There is nothing I can do except donate money every month to GrapheneOS ( https://grapheneos.org/donate ). Democracy is dead for me.

Actually no, every MEP doesn't support it, the government's position is attributed to all MEP from the country, which is silly.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#90

Post by nomilk »

Laws generally recognise the sanctity of privacy - for example, so much as looking at someone for too long can be deemed sexual assault in some jurisdictions - yet law makers wish to legislate they be able to view everyone's nudes (and much more)! Weird contradiction.
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