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ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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For more than a decade, Glenn Valley [reported] new sales records for one of the fastest-growing meatpacking companies in the Midwest. But, in a matter of weeks, production had plummeted by almost 70 percent. Most of the work force was gone. Half of the maintenance crew was in the process of being deported, the director of human resources had stopped coming to work, and more than 50 employees were being held at a det…

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Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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For more than a decade, Glenn Valley [reported] new sales records for one of the fastest-growing meatpacking companies in the Midwest. But, in a matter of weeks, production had plummeted by almost 70 percent. Most of the work force was gone. Half of the maintenance crew was in the process of being deported, the director of human resources had stopped coming to work, and more than 50 employees were being held at a det…

The human traffickers are those who use foreigners as cheaper labor. Not figuratively, but literally. These companies deserve just as much sympathy as the plantation owners of the past, or the farmers using orphans for serfs in the recent past.

> The human traffickers are those who use foreigners as cheaper labor. Not figuratively, but literally.

The challenge is that non-consensual seizing, harboring, transfer and receipt of people through force, fraud or deception, and then intentionally exporting them to locations that pointlessly increase the harm being done - this is objectively worse than what you describe.

However we don't have a term that properly reflects the horror of US Gov's trafficking. Until then, we are using what we have.

Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human traffickers are those who use foreigners as cheaper labor. Not figuratively, but literally. These companies deserve just as much sympathy as the plantation owners of the past, or the farmers using orphans for serfs in the recent past.

> The human traffickers are those who use foreigners as cheaper labor. Not figuratively, but literally. The challenge is that non-consensual seizing, harboring, transfer and receipt of people through force, fraud or deception, and then intentionally exporting them to locations that pointlessly increase the harm being done - this is objectively worse than what you describe. However we don't have a term that properly r…

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Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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For more than a decade, Glenn Valley [reported] new sales records for one of the fastest-growing meatpacking companies in the Midwest. But, in a matter of weeks, production had plummeted by almost 70 percent. Most of the work force was gone. Half of the maintenance crew was in the process of being deported, the director of human resources had stopped coming to work, and more than 50 employees were being held at a det…

Yes it does. The point of immigration law is to limit the total number of foreign people coming into the country, to maintain it within the nation's capacity for americanizing immigrants and the economy's capacity to employ them. If you want to have immigration, it should be low enough so you're turning Indians or Guatemalans into Americans faster than they're turning America into India or Guatemala.[1] Ultimately, t…

> Yes it does. [paragraphs of stuff that don't reflect a need to raid factories in order to seize legal workers]

No. It does not. Raiding factories of legal workers does not improve my life.

Creating a state of persistent fear for legal residents - this also does not improve my life. It does however degrade the lives of legal residents and citizens I know and care about.

Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes it does. The point of immigration law is to limit the total number of foreign people coming into the country, to maintain it within the nation's capacity for americanizing immigrants and the economy's capacity to employ them. If you want to have immigration, it should be low enough so you're turning Indians or Guatemalans into Americans faster than they're turning America into India or Guatemala.[1] Ultimately, t…

> Yes it does. [paragraphs of stuff that don't reflect a need to raid factories in order to seize legal workers] No. It does not. Raiding factories of legal workers does not improve my life. Creating a state of persistent fear for legal residents - this also does not improve my life. It does however degrade the lives of legal residents and citizens I know and care about.

> Raiding factories of legal workers does not improve my life.

They're illegal workers who broke the law not only by immigrating illegally, but by using stolen identification to get past the federal employment verification system:

"In his experience, E-Verify was good at checking numbers, not people. The government maintained that Glenn Valley employees had been using IDs that were stolen. One number belonged to a nursing student in Missouri, who lost her student loans as a result of the identity theft. Another came from a disabled man in Texas, who could no longer get his medications."

And if the article is correct in suggesting that illegal workers are getting past the eVerify system, that suggests that identity theft and identity fraud is a much bigger part of the issue than anyone realized previously.

Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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Hire legal American workers at a prevailing wage?

> Hire legal American workers at a prevailing wage? This company hired legal workers and they were trafficked away. If these are the wrong legal workers, who are the correct legal workers? Who are the ones that should to not be seized and trafficked?

American citizens

Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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For more than a decade, Glenn Valley [reported] new sales records for one of the fastest-growing meatpacking companies in the Midwest. But, in a matter of weeks, production had plummeted by almost 70 percent. Most of the work force was gone. Half of the maintenance crew was in the process of being deported, the director of human resources had stopped coming to work, and more than 50 employees were being held at a det…

Yes it does. The point of immigration law is to limit the total number of foreign people coming into the country, to maintain it within the nation's capacity for americanizing immigrants and the economy's capacity to employ them. If you want to have immigration, it should be low enough so you're turning Indians or Guatemalans into Americans faster than they're turning America into India or Guatemala.[1] Ultimately, t…

I grew up in the Midwest and moved to the west coast for college, my opinions on all the things you listed differ wildly from a lot of my family. Is that good or bad? Are they more or less American than I am? What even would it mean to “fully assimilate”, why is that a goal?

Re: ICE Took Half Their Work Force. What Do They Do Now?

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Hire legal American workers at a prevailing wage?

> Hire legal American workers at a prevailing wage? This company hired legal workers and they were trafficked away. If these are the wrong legal workers, who are the correct legal workers? Who are the ones that should to not be seized and trafficked?

If you read the article it is pretty clear that they hired a lot of people who lied about their identities and were not in fact legal workers.
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