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GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

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Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#71

In my experience, AI assistance can't really do what you can't. Sure, you can force it, but the result will be a discardable mess. Yesterday I used Gemini and Claude cli to create a symbolic regression library in C++ with added state of the art features (hobby). Gemini is there to assist when Claude runs out of context. It took me six hours. I cannot imagine how anyone could do this without being an expert in these f…

Yes, this matches my experience - generated slop may help you realize what you don't understand very well yet and somewhat accelerate your learning, but you won't cut any shortcuts this way. You will only manage to do it once you actually understand how to do it, as only at that point you know how to guide the LLM to success.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#72

This exactly mirrors my experience. I can't see the whole LLM/GPT thing as anything but another blockchain level scam. It isn't zero value it is actually a negative value as the time it takes is an opportunity cost.

I wouldn't say "scam", but otherwise I agree. I have found LLMs to often provide negative value, as in they slow me down.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a hobby project that seems fine, but for commercially valuable work how do you handle privacy concerns?

Cursor has a privacy mode with zero data retention and no training

You have to trust them because their is no way to verify this claim.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#76
I hate AIs because I think overall they're bad for the environment, centralizes power, and worsen quality.

That said I never really doubted that they can help you get more done. I use it occasionally to refactor or generate some boilerplate. But very often though I need to rewrite most of the functionality, I find it more true the more code it generates.

The agentic stuff I've tried have been terrible. Yeah I personally haven't used the latest models, but I deal with teammates who use them and the frontend it generates looks bland and the shell scripts generated with them are very hard to debug but also just flat out broken.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#77

So weird that people use these tools and think they essentially useless. How can my experience be so totally different?

I think it depends a lot on what you're trying to get them to do and what you're working on. I don't really buy into the whole "prompt engineering" part. I use agents quite a lot, but they have limitations. They excel at writing SQL, kubernetes configuration, bicep and similar... at least so long as you know what you're doing. I also have quite a lot of success with them keeping documentation and tests updated. I wouldn't recommend using them for your tests unless tests are a nice to have feature for you because you actively deal with corrupted states through explicit error handling, but we do.

In my experience every model absolutely sucks at doing any form of software engineering. The thing is though, you don't need to do any software engineering to write software... until you do. Since LLM's got decent at programming we've let them loose among our BI and solar plant engineers and they're building some really useful tools in Python. They have no idea what they are doing, and they are still getting stuff to work. It's obviously absolute horse shit, but for a lot of it, the shit code will be "good enough" for nobody having to touch it for it's lifecycle. For the rest, actual software engineers take over.

If you're working in a field where "good enough" is fine, then I imagine that LLM's can do a lot for you. It might sound like I'm being disrespectful, but I really don't mean to be. In my decades of experience with software in enterprise settings, I've seen so many programs build with horrible code just trundle along. Creating great value for the business while requiring no to minimal maintenance. Bad from a traditionalist software engineering perspective, but great from a business perspective (which is what matters). Not everything needs to scale after all. Anyway, I do question whether the author has actually worked with LLM's a lot. I would think that the strengths failings of LLM's would get obvious rather quickly to anyone who uses them.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

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I have a degree in CS from MIT and did professional software engineering from 2004 - 2020. I recently started a company in another field and haven’t done any real development for about 4 years. Earlier this summer I took a vacation and decided to start a small software hobby project specific to my industry. I decided to try out Cursor for the first time. I found it incredibly helpful at saving time implementing all t…

I think you're describing what was easily fixed in the past by better docs with examples.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#79
Is it possible these companies with their vast budgets pay to have all this drivel about how useful they are plastered on the web to pump up their value? I've started to learn what useful things LLMs can do for me but self sufficient coders they ain't.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a hobby project that seems fine, but for commercially valuable work how do you handle privacy concerns?

Cursor has a privacy mode with zero data retention and no training

I have had multiple conversations with the cursor devs on their discord about this and there is no way to verify those claims, or even that they respect your ignore rules for secrets.
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