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GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

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Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#11
I have a feeling this person is using far-from-frontier models, totally disconnected from the development environment.

Using, like, gpt-4o is extremely not useful for programming. But using Claude Code in your actual repo is insanely useful.

Gotta use the right tool + model.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#12
I think back to the first version of ChatGPT and I would pick it up once in a while, ask it something or chat with it, and then be like... this is cool but I don't know wtf I would use it for, now I use a GPT at least a couple of times a day. Granted, the LLMs have obviously become considerably more capable, but I do believe part of it is I've also learned how to use them and what to use them for, I'm at the point now where I can generally predict the output of what I'm asking for - I don't know if that's the norm (it mostly gives me exactly what I want) I do know how I use them today and how I used them when they first came out is quite different. I guess all that is to say, imo how you prompt them really matters, and that takes time to learn.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#13

I really wish posts like this included the parameters that they were using. What model? What was the question? How many shots? Etc etc You’re going to get vastly different responses if you’re using Opus versus 4o.

I’d like to know which programming language.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#15

I think what people are missing is that they work sometimes and sometimes they don't work. People think "Oh, it works better when somebody else does it" or "There must be some model that does better than the one I am using" or "If I knew how to prompt better I'd get better results" or "There must be some other agentic IDE which is better than the one I am using." All those things might be true but they just change th…

>I was working on some code where I didn't really understand the typescript types and fed it the crazy error messages I was getting and it made a try to understand them and didn't really, I used it as a "rubber duck" over the course of a day or two and working with it I eventually came to understand what was wrong and how to fix and I got into a place that I like and when there is an error I can understand it and it can understand it too.

I have to wonder if you tried a simple google search and read through some docs if you couldn't have figured this out quicker than trying to coax a result out of the LLM.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#16
post #6

I really wish posts like this included the parameters that they were using. What model? What was the question? How many shots? Etc etc You’re going to get vastly different responses if you’re using Opus versus 4o.

Do you really? Frontier models seems remarkably similar in performance. Yeah some nuances for sure, but the whole article could apply to every model.

4o on ChatGPT.com vs. Opus in an IDE is like cooking food without kitchen tools vs. using them. 4o is neither a coding-optimized model nor a reasoning model in general.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#17
Haven’t even really tried them. The sand is shifting way too fast. Once things stabilize and other people figure out how to really use them I’ll probably start but for now it just feels like effort that will have been wasted.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#18
post #6

I really wish posts like this included the parameters that they were using. What model? What was the question? How many shots? Etc etc You’re going to get vastly different responses if you’re using Opus versus 4o.

Do you really? Frontier models seems remarkably similar in performance. Yeah some nuances for sure, but the whole article could apply to every model.

You're not pushing them hard enough if you're not seeing a vast difference between 4o and Opus. Or possibly they're equivalent in the field you're working in but I suspect it's the former.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#19
I kept hearing about Claude Code for a while and never really tried it until a week ago. I used it to prototype some Mac app ideas and I quickly realized how useful it was at getting prototypes up and running very, very quickly, like within minutes. It saves so much time with boilerplate code that I would've had to type out by hand and have done hundreds of times before.

With my experience, I wonder what the author of this blog post has tried to do to complete a task as that might make a difference on why they couldn't get much use out of it. Maybe other posters can chime in on how big of a difference programming language and size of project can make. I did find that it was able to glean how I had architected an app and it was able to give feedback on potential refactors, although I didn't ask it to go that far.

Prior to trying out Claude Code, I had only used ChatGPT and DeepSeek to post general questions on how to use APIs and frameworks and asking for short snippets of code like functions to do text parsing with regexes, so to be honest I was very surprised at what the state of the art could actually do, at least for my projects.

Re: GPTs and Feeling Left Behind

#20
I'm completely equally lost the other way.

I've went through multiple phases of LLM usage for development.

GPT3.5 era: wow this is amazing, oh. everything is hallucinated. not actually as useful as I first thought

GPT4 era: very helpful as stackoverflow on steroids.

Claude 3.5 Sonnet: have it open pretty much all the time, constantly asking questions and getting it to generate simple code (in the web UI) when it goes down actually feels very old school googling stuff. Tried a lot of in IDE AI "chat" stuff but hugely underwhelmed.

Now: rarely open IDE as I can do (nearly) absolutely everything in Claude Code. I do have to refactor stuff every so often "manually", but this is more for my sanity and understanding of the codebase..

To give an example of a task I got Claude code to do today in a few minutes which would take me hours. Had a janky looking old admin panel in bootstrap styles that I wanted to make look nice. Told Claude code to fetch the marketing site for the project. Got it to pull CSS, logos, fonts from there using curl and apply similar styling to the admin panel project. Within 10 mins it was looking far, far better than I would have ever got it looking (at least without a designers help). Then got it to go through the entire project (dozens of screens) and update "explanation" copy - most of which was TODO placeholders to explain what everything did properly. I then got it to add an e2e test suite to the core flows.

This took less than an hour while I was watching TV. I would have almost certainly _never_ got around to this before. I'd been meaning to do all this and I always sigh when I go into this panel at how clunky it all is and hard to explain to people.

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