Reads like an advertisement to me.
The Framework Desktop is a beast
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Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#52Reads like an advertisement to me.
I doubt that Dhh if all people would do advertisement (as paid) for this. He genuinely seems to enjoy his macos break
Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
The RAM is soldered on all Halo Strix platforms because physics is getting in the way. With pluggable DIMMs the memory bandwidth would be halved, at best.
Why not make a platform with a greater number of channels
That's a question for AMD and TCMC. They only have so much space on the silica. More memory channels means less of something else. This is not a "framework platform" issue, it's the specification of that CPU.
Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
The RAM is soldered on all Halo Strix platforms because physics is getting in the way. With pluggable DIMMs the memory bandwidth would be halved, at best.
He is still right. It is a desktop PC that is less repairable than all other desktop PCs, from a brand that is known to champion repairability. They had a reason for it, but could've chosen to not create more throwaway things.
I have been continuously baffled by the people that think that soldered on RAM is somehow "throwaway". My last desktop build is eight years old and I have never upgraded the ram. Never will. My next build will have an entirely new motherboard, ram, and GPU, and the last set will end up at the ewaste recycler, because who could I find that wants that old hardware?
Soldered RAM, CPU, and GPU, that give space benefits and performance benefits is exactly what I want, and results in no more ewaste at all. In fact less ewaste, because if I had a smaller form factor I could justify keeping the older computer around for longer. The size of the thing is a bigger cause of waste for me than the ability to upgrade RAM.
Not everybody upgrades RAM, and those people deserve computers too. Framework's brand appears to be offering something that other suppliers are not, rather than expand ability. That's a much better brand and niche overall.
Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#55Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#56> In some ways, the Framework Desktop is a curious machine. Desktop PCs are already very user-repairable! So why is Framework even bringing their talents to this domain? In the laptop realm, they're basically alone with that concept, but in the desktop space, it's rather crowded already. Yet it somehow still makes sense. And even more curious, Framework Desktop is deliberately less repairable than their laptops. They…
According to the Framework CEO on the Linus Tech Tips video about this thing [1], they tried and AMD assigned an engineer on getting modular memory to work and decided it's not possible.
Unless there's another company out there shipping this CPU with replaceable memory, I'll believe them. Even with LPCAMM, physics just doesn't work out.
Of course, there are plenty of slower desktops you can buy where all the memory can be swapped out. If you want a repairable desktop like that, you're not stuck with Framework in the same way you would be with laptops. You'll probably struggle to get the same memory bandwidth to make full use of AMD's chips, though.
Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#57Reads like an advertisement to me.
I doubt that Dhh if all people would do advertisement (as paid) for this. He genuinely seems to enjoy his macos break
Apple's walled garden and mob tactics pissed DHH off [1-3]. Of course he's going to advocate for alternatives.
Tim Sweeney is in the same camp.
[1] https://www.hey.com/apple/
[2] https://world.hey.com/dhh/apple-rejects-the-hey-calendar-fro...
[3] https://world.hey.com/dhh/hey-is-finally-for-sale-on-the-iph...
Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sockets have resistance and crosstalk, which affects signal integrity.
Wait, your telling me, I should have been desoldering the sockets off my motherboard, and directly soldering my RAM to the leads this entire time?
Compression Attached Memory Module (CAMM) tries to be a middle-term solution for that, by reducing how crappy your average RAM socket is to latency and signal integrity issues. But, at this point, I can see CAMM delivered memory being reduced to a sort of slower, "CXL.mem" device.
Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
#59Oh, to be young again and care about benchmarks, bogomips and stuff like that.
Or to generally be back in the era where such a thing would be useful for LAN-parties...
Re: The Framework Desktop is a beast
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Context on DHH vs. Apple: https://youtu.be/mzDi8u3WMj0 I find myself agreeing with much of what he says. The Apple of today is not the same as the Apple of 15 years ago.
is the apple fief facing resistance? I was under the impression that Epic v. Apple was a nothingburger