Making loads of money cleaning up shit already here.
It's my current job, a shit job at least for me
How AI is upending the software development industry
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Re: How AI is upending the software development industry
#32It’s amusing to me to see the top SV companies falling back to the status symbols of yesteryear for juniors: prestige of your alma mater. Feels like an admission that they have no real way to vet candidates otherwise.
alot of the success of FAANG is they stopped using this as a primary vetting method, and used leetcode to just filter on raw memorization/problem solving. filtered out so many bad candidates from prestigious schools
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
By the time this becomes a problem, seniors won't be needed either.
That seems to be the sentiment from decision makers from what I've seen.
Sure. Unfortunately for those of who like getting paid, decision makers' opinions are what determine who gets hired.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
It will be like med school. Juniors will pay to get trained (or get scholarships, etc.)
Weren’t they already doing this? College/bootcamps is precisely that: paying to get trained.
It’s not about skills, it’s about the formality of having X years of professional experience. College and boot camps won’t get you anywhere.
Re: How AI is upending the software development industry
#35If nobody hires juniors, then where are the seniors supposed to come from?
In a few years, will we need seniors?
Non deterministic software will never produce 100% of the time perfect results. So we will need humans with knowledge to verify up to when an other technology will be able to build enough trust to avoid human reviews.
With 2000 line very precise prompts, Claude code finishes saying the code is ready for production and there is still anomalies and bugs that it should have catched but didn’t. Good luck trusting 100% of your business on such technologies.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
People were saying this about coding bootcamps just a little while ago! "All of these bootcamp coders don't really know what they're doing and us seniors will have to clean up after them". Same with outsourcing before that. Most people (seniors included) suck at coding. AI is already better than all but the the very best. It will continue to improve.
I'm tired and bored yo remove eval from codecamp and ai agent code. Now every fucking sprint has a few jira shit cards with titles like "fix the bug introduced by ai, fix performance issue from bootcampers. This is not what i became a code monkey for. Get me out of programming!!! This current time driven development mixed with fix the above shit Is making me crazy
What did you become a code monkey for?
Re: How AI is upending the software development industry
#37If nobody hires juniors, then where are the seniors supposed to come from?
Junior developers are the equivalent of the draftsmen that used to work under architects.
Just like how CAD has almost entirely eliminated that line of work, the same thing will happen in software development. Only the “architects” will remain.
There is an implicit assumption made by the people concerned about junior devs disappearing that that’s where senior developers come from.
The reality is that almost junior developers never gain significantly better skill, no matter how their age or title.
I regularly work with people with decades of “experience” that still have no idea how to use a database engine. A real senior developer could write their own database engine from scratch. That’s the difference!
Re: How AI is upending the software development industry
#38It’s amusing to me to see the top SV companies falling back to the status symbols of yesteryear for juniors: prestige of your alma mater. Feels like an admission that they have no real way to vet candidates otherwise.
Companies want familiarity (repeatable processes) and “objectivity” (credentials). I always knew their spiel about “disrupting higher education” with bootcamps and free courses was just empty platitudes, and that once the party ended those who placed their faith in those schemes would be promptly abandoned in favor of the traditional Ivy League set.
At no point bootcamp devs were as favored as ivy league students.
The idea is likely flooding the market with devs, lowering software development costs and increasing software in the market increasing cloud usage.
Re: How AI is upending the software development industry
#39If nobody hires juniors, then where are the seniors supposed to come from?
It's likely that the skills you'd learn as an entry-level engineer today will be mostly irrelevant to being a senior 10 years from now -- just as knowing how to write a program on punch cards is irrelevant to today's engineers.
Seniors will have to come from somewhere, but it wouldn't be through this pipeline, even if companies were still hiring at full rate for entry-level work.
For some just getting into the field, this could be a great opportunity -- if you can figure out where the puck is heading, you can skate directly there.
Re: How AI is upending the software development industry
#40The only thing it’s upending is sane engineering practices in my experience. I just reviewed a python flask app which was basically “vibe coded” by a couple people speed running a checklist of features. I open up the auth.py file to find it is integrated with an idp using oauth. Whether the caller has the correct scopes is never checked. I grab client credentials for a completely unrelated app. Hit /admin using my be…
We're entering the age of toddlers on motorcycles when it comes to software engineering.