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Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by SilverElfin »

yongjik wrote: post #9
SilverElfin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country. I mean that literally. The government official was not sacked for “publishing government stats” - that is, it’s not their speech as an individual that led to their firing. And I have no idea what you mean by “TACO state”.

I think the point is, despite America having "constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country," it has fallen to such a sorry state that a government officer is fired for reporting inconvenient numbers and that's not even the craziest thing the president did this week. ...which raises question on whether "freedom of speech" is the great defense against authoritarianism Americ…

Yes it obviously is a great defense against authoritarianism. Trump still can’t stop you as an individual in exercising your freedom of speech. A government “officer” here is just an employee (of an agency that is controlled by the president), fired for doing their job poorly (allegedly), not for speech.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by watwut »

SilverElfin wrote: post #6
CommenterPerson wrote: post #5

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Yeah and tell me America is great at this. Where a authoritarian sacks a government official for publishing government stats. Wonderfully democratic TACO state.

America has constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country. I mean that literally. The government official was not sacked for “publishing government stats” - that is, it’s not their speech as an individual that led to their firing. And I have no idea what you mean by “TACO state”.

Sorry, Americas constitutional protections are effectively a myth. There is nothing to enforce or even defend them. They are theory at best, easy to be twisted any time powerful enough person wants.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by briga »

SilverElfin wrote: post #10
briga wrote: post #8

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You're posting that reply on a message board that, strictly speaking, does not have free speech. If I started flaming you my post would get removed pretty quickly. This forum is heavily moderated. Does that make it a better, or worse, place for discussion?

It’s one among a large number of forums you can choose from, not a monopoly, with no restriction by the government, who has a monopoly on violence and the ability to take away your time or money.

By that line of thinking, Canada is just one country you can choose to live in. Certainly people here have the choice to move to other countries that they think has more freedom. I have a hard time thinking of any other countries that entirely fit that criteria at the moment.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by chrononaut »

watwut wrote: post #12
SilverElfin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country. I mean that literally. The government official was not sacked for “publishing government stats” - that is, it’s not their speech as an individual that led to their firing. And I have no idea what you mean by “TACO state”.

Sorry, Americas constitutional protections are effectively a myth. There is nothing to enforce or even defend them. They are theory at best, easy to be twisted any time powerful enough person wants.

Couldn't you make that argument for any law in any society?

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Post by 10000truths »

chrononaut wrote: post #14
watwut wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, Americas constitutional protections are effectively a myth. There is nothing to enforce or even defend them. They are theory at best, easy to be twisted any time powerful enough person wants.

Couldn't you make that argument for any law in any society?

Sure, which is why the value of such a law should be judged based on how well it's enforced, and not merely how often it's espoused.

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Post by SilverElfin »

watwut wrote: post #12
SilverElfin wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America has constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country. I mean that literally. The government official was not sacked for “publishing government stats” - that is, it’s not their speech as an individual that led to their firing. And I have no idea what you mean by “TACO state”.

Sorry, Americas constitutional protections are effectively a myth. There is nothing to enforce or even defend them. They are theory at best, easy to be twisted any time powerful enough person wants.

How is it a myth? Anyone can say what they want, barring a small set of exceptions like defamation. This is enforced and defended by the legal system. It’s the opposite of what you are claiming.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by SilverElfin »

briga wrote: post #13
SilverElfin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s one among a large number of forums you can choose from, not a monopoly, with no restriction by the government, who has a monopoly on violence and the ability to take away your time or money.

By that line of thinking, Canada is just one country you can choose to live in. Certainly people here have the choice to move to other countries that they think has more freedom. I have a hard time thinking of any other countries that entirely fit that criteria at the moment.

You are arguing in bad faith. People as individuals, including Canadians, deserve freedom of speech, without threat of fines or jail time. Most people can’t just move to another country. They can however move to another website as an alternative to HN.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by briga »

SilverElfin wrote: post #17
briga wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that line of thinking, Canada is just one country you can choose to live in. Certainly people here have the choice to move to other countries that they think has more freedom. I have a hard time thinking of any other countries that entirely fit that criteria at the moment.

You are arguing in bad faith. People as individuals, including Canadians, deserve freedom of speech, without threat of fines or jail time. Most people can’t just move to another country. They can however move to another website as an alternative to HN.

I have never once received threats of fines or jail time for their speech, nor have any of the Canadians I know. Are you aware that freedom of opinion and expression is very clearly spelled out in the Canadian charter of rights?

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by [deleted] »

briga wrote: post #13
SilverElfin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s one among a large number of forums you can choose from, not a monopoly, with no restriction by the government, who has a monopoly on violence and the ability to take away your time or money.

By that line of thinking, Canada is just one country you can choose to live in. Certainly people here have the choice to move to other countries that they think has more freedom. I have a hard time thinking of any other countries that entirely fit that criteria at the moment.

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Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

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Post by watwut »

SilverElfin wrote: post #16
watwut wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, Americas constitutional protections are effectively a myth. There is nothing to enforce or even defend them. They are theory at best, easy to be twisted any time powerful enough person wants.

How is it a myth? Anyone can say what they want, barring a small set of exceptions like defamation. This is enforced and defended by the legal system. It’s the opposite of what you are claiming.

The power of literal government agencies are used against people and organizations literally based on their speech. Literally over words.

Meanwhile, literal financial political corruption is framed as speech.

And second, give how expensive civil suits are, you not having enough money to pay layers means that slapp suits are very effective limits on free speech in practice.

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