Live data from Hacker News

Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

biometricupdate.com

1–10 of 24 posts

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

#4

Canada has not been the greatest for individual freedoms in the last 20 years. This is another step in the authoritarian direction, and will be used to punish people for speech ultimately.

Certainly we are not perfect, but I think overall Canada has done more for the world to uphold human rights and freedoms than otherwise. When the government does act against "individual freedom", it is usually for the good of larger society. For instance because of firearm restrictions Canadian citizens are (or used to be?) free from getting shot with firearms on the streets. Is it a perfectly free society? No, but for the most part people here have it pretty good. I'd wager most of the immigrants moving here are much more free than they were in their home countries

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

#5

Canada has not been the greatest for individual freedoms in the last 20 years. This is another step in the authoritarian direction, and will be used to punish people for speech ultimately.

Yeah and tell me America is great at this. Where a authoritarian sacks a government official for publishing government stats. Wonderfully democratic TACO state.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

#6

Canada has not been the greatest for individual freedoms in the last 20 years. This is another step in the authoritarian direction, and will be used to punish people for speech ultimately.

Yeah and tell me America is great at this. Where a authoritarian sacks a government official for publishing government stats. Wonderfully democratic TACO state.

America has constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country. I mean that literally. The government official was not sacked for “publishing government stats” - that is, it’s not their speech as an individual that led to their firing.

And I have no idea what you mean by “TACO state”.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

#7
post #4

Canada has not been the greatest for individual freedoms in the last 20 years. This is another step in the authoritarian direction, and will be used to punish people for speech ultimately.

Certainly we are not perfect, but I think overall Canada has done more for the world to uphold human rights and freedoms than otherwise. When the government does act against "individual freedom", it is usually for the good of larger society. For instance because of firearm restrictions Canadian citizens are (or used to be?) free from getting shot with firearms on the streets. Is it a perfectly free society? No, but f…

> When the government does act against "individual freedom", it is usually for the good of larger society.

This line of thinking can be used to justify anything. That’s why it’s important to protect the individual and their rights, even in face of what a majority - who can be unjust - wants. And speech in particular, is so fundamental to the idea of freedom, that it should be almost absolutely protected. A constitutional guarantee of free speech and privacy is critical.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

#8
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly we are not perfect, but I think overall Canada has done more for the world to uphold human rights and freedoms than otherwise. When the government does act against "individual freedom", it is usually for the good of larger society. For instance because of firearm restrictions Canadian citizens are (or used to be?) free from getting shot with firearms on the streets. Is it a perfectly free society? No, but f…

> When the government does act against "individual freedom", it is usually for the good of larger society. This line of thinking can be used to justify anything. That’s why it’s important to protect the individual and their rights, even in face of what a majority - who can be unjust - wants. And speech in particular, is so fundamental to the idea of freedom, that it should be almost absolutely protected. A constituti…

You're posting that reply on a message board that, strictly speaking, does not have free speech. If I started flaming you my post would get removed pretty quickly. This forum is heavily moderated. Does that make it a better, or worse, place for discussion?

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

#9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and tell me America is great at this. Where a authoritarian sacks a government official for publishing government stats. Wonderfully democratic TACO state.

America has constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country. I mean that literally. The government official was not sacked for “publishing government stats” - that is, it’s not their speech as an individual that led to their firing. And I have no idea what you mean by “TACO state”.

I think the point is, despite America having "constitutional protections for freedom of speech, that are greater than any other country," it has fallen to such a sorry state that a government officer is fired for reporting inconvenient numbers and that's not even the craziest thing the president did this week.

...which raises question on whether "freedom of speech" is the great defense against authoritarianism Americans believe it to be.

Re: Canada approves national standard for age verification, estimation

#10
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When the government does act against "individual freedom", it is usually for the good of larger society. This line of thinking can be used to justify anything. That’s why it’s important to protect the individual and their rights, even in face of what a majority - who can be unjust - wants. And speech in particular, is so fundamental to the idea of freedom, that it should be almost absolutely protected. A constituti…

You're posting that reply on a message board that, strictly speaking, does not have free speech. If I started flaming you my post would get removed pretty quickly. This forum is heavily moderated. Does that make it a better, or worse, place for discussion?

It’s one among a large number of forums you can choose from, not a monopoly, with no restriction by the government, who has a monopoly on violence and the ability to take away your time or money.
Post reply on HN