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AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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So, if I scraped thousands of WEB sites, it is legal ? I remember a person being charged with doing that to just a very few WEB Sites was charged. The poor person ended up committing suicide. If I record every song played on the radio for years to a digital file, will I be charged ? You know I would be. How are these different than what AI is doing. In the US, companies are considered a person, so to me, off to jail…

I beg your pardon, but do you think "web" is an acronym...?

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

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Property is a legal construct. (“Fiction” implies that legal constructs are intended to say something about external reality, such that there could also be contrasting “legal nonfiction”, but all the constructs are equally constructed and equally not dictated by reality but instead by what someone thinks will have desirable effects on reality.)

The question for any category of property is whether it is a socially useful construct or not, not whether it has a basis is nature.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Copyright is a deal society has made to advance the arts and sciences. We get more innovative media of all kinds, and in exchange, we pay for the government's policing of the right to copy. I'm not AI optimist or booster, but AI is an advancement in the arts and sciences, despite all the risks and downsides. AI is a derivative work from all digitized media. There's an argument to be made that the AI companies should…

> Copyright is a deal society has made to advance the arts

Corn subsidies are a deal society made to advance the consumption of sugar water.

Who really makes these deals and who benefits from them?

Maybe having so much new content all the time is making us too content while the backroom deal makers laugh their way to the bank and fund more wars.

> and sciences

People en masse want cheaper energy, better machines and better medicine regardless of profitability of the producers. I don't buy into the idea that the only way to incentivize new inventions is with fame and wealth. People like to do good work they are proud of - not enough people, arguably, but they exist.

Some inventions may be too powerful to go without strict regulations like nuclear energy. I'd argue AI is in the same basket. I believe the internet, and by extension internet connected AI, should be considered a public utility and governed by the public.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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If the companies are profiting profoundly off an extremely diffuse reaping of intellectual property, doesn’t it make sense to distribute funds diffusely back over the whole of the society they are profiting from?

Which in a way is basically the UBI they claim to want anyway.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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post #41
post #36

So, if I scraped thousands of WEB sites, it is legal ? I remember a person being charged with doing that to just a very few WEB Sites was charged. The poor person ended up committing suicide. If I record every song played on the radio for years to a digital file, will I be charged ? You know I would be. How are these different than what AI is doing. In the US, companies are considered a person, so to me, off to jail…

I beg your pardon, but do you think "web" is an acronym...?

WEB - Who Even Believesthis :)

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

classic HN, ignoring the Billions of users who find chatGPT, Gemini, Claude not only useful but life changing, including some of the poorest. So that they can fight for Disney, Record Labels and Trust fund Williamsburg friends

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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> Confronted with such extreme potential damages, Anthropic may lose its rights to raise valid defenses of its AI training, deciding it would be more prudent to settle, the company argued.

“Our case is so weak, that a trial could pose a huge risk to our finances. So we’ll choose to forgo our day in court and settle instead. And that means you’ve violated our right to defend ourselves because LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO.”

This amount of spin is breathtaking. Puts every politician to shame, really.

Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without IP though you lose incentive to invest in new stuff. IP is made up just like saying murder is made up. Both are just concepts but necessary concepts to keep society on track. That being said, I don't know if I agree that the AI companies are violating IP rights.

Without IP, information becomes controlled by centralized online services with DRM which show ads, meter access, monitor your activity, make specializations, and can take it all away at any time. That's the system we ended up with, after humanity failed to voluntarily respect IP holders rights under the old system that let you buy/own content. Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

This doesn't make sense. The mechanism by which "information becomes controlled by centralized online services with DRM" is copyright law. Without copyright law, "DRM" wouldn't be a thing. Without some concept of "intellectual property", there is nothing for copyright law to protect.
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