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Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by brk » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 10:49 AM UTC

anovikov wrote: post #6

I can say precisely which lens was used to make that photo: Canon EF 17-40 L USM on a DSLR. Or some other very, very similar lens. No photographer can mistake this for anything. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/meonoctis/5661946485/in/set-721...

For most people shooting Canon gear the 24-105L is the much more common go-to lens for street shots like this.

For true pros, the 16-35L would be more common than the 17-40L, since it is an f/2.8 instead of f/4.0 lens. It's almost a given that anyone shooting Canon owns the 24-105L, so when opting for a wider angle lens the 17-40 and 16-35 are your two most common choices. The 16-35 gives you the wide-angle, PLUS lower f/stop (The 24-105L is f/4.0 also)

I don't think you can tell with any degree of certainly which specific lens was used for these shots.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by Ono-Sendai » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 10:55 AM UTC

A small camera with a small aperture and smaller sensor than a DSLR will produce a greater amount of aperture diffraction than a DSLR, at the same f-value.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by jswanson » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 10:55 AM UTC

digitalengineer wrote: post #28

There's only one way out of this for Nokia. They need to release new photo's and video's created with the new Nokia Wndows 8 Phone right the f * now. With as much EXIF and/or metadata as possible. If I was Nokia I'd hire the best photographer-artist the world knows and make a big splash about it.

Or they could just pretend this never happened.

A search on Google News (anecdotal, yes) https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&#3...

None of the articles have anything related to this in the title, and the first three articles do not mention any faking.

It feels like a big issue in tech-savvy circles on the internet. But I doubt most consumers know or care.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by jswanson » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 11:00 AM UTC

vowelless wrote: post #38

Here is an apology from Nokia: http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/06/an-apology-is-due/ Here are videos (OIS off and on) shot with a Lumia 920: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6...

Even the apology for being vague and somewhat underhanded is somewhat.. underhanded.

  Here is the video shown at the press conference shot using a Lumia 920. On the right is a Lumia 920 prototype with OIS. On the left is a smartphone without OIS. The difference is apparent.

Notice they specify 'a smartphone'. The wording shifts the focus from the camera to OIS, and then they must have used a completely different phone for the comparison. Weird.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by SquareWheel » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 11:05 AM UTC

SquareWheel wrote: post #20

anovikov wrote: post #6

I can say precisely which lens was used to make that photo: Canon EF 17-40 L USM on a DSLR. Or some other very, very similar lens. No photographer can mistake this for anything. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/meonoctis/5661946485/in/set-721...

Just as an aside, what is with the comments? Does every user have their own "award" to present?

Wow, never been so downvoted before. I didn't realize everybody was so familiar with the Flickr website and this award business was common knowledge. For the record, I did Google it and couldn't find any relevant information.

Cripes, I asked a simple question.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by chucknelson » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 11:13 AM UTC

ioulian wrote: post #51

Funny that people ignore the fake facetime video's of iphone because it's from apple, and keep bashing microsoft because it's microsoft. Fake advertisements, it's nothing new, EVERYBODY does that. Think real

Apple has a disclaimer about "simulated" images in most of their commercials, and if you look at their dedicated facetime ads [1] where they don't have a disclaimer, you'll notice...that is how facetime actually looks and works.

[1] http://youtu.be/RxVzP_OWnDw?hd=1

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by andrewfelix » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 11:57 AM UTC

manojlds wrote: post #52

dagw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's be careful about what we're talking about here. If the pictures are of the actual camera and are about showing the physical product then they're no doubt often shot in a studio with a proper studio camera. That's (probably) what Ken is talking about and there is nothing underhand about that. If on the other hand the pictures are about showing what kind of results the camera can produce then I very much doubt th…

But Nokia are talking about the kind of results you will get from the phone right. So it can just be a simulation of the result.

If they had to go out of their way to 'simulate' their own products results, it makes you wonder what kind of a result the average consumer can expect.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by leke » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 11:57 AM UTC

http://yle.fi/uutiset/nokia_apologises_for_misleading_lumia_... Confusion? This is deceit! A video of just OIS? The Video states at the end, "This is Lumia". It seems the once honest Nokia has picked up some bad habits from their partnership with MicroSoft.

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by josefresco » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 12:02 PM UTC

chucknelson wrote: post #66

ioulian wrote: post #51

Funny that people ignore the fake facetime video's of iphone because it's from apple, and keep bashing microsoft because it's microsoft. Fake advertisements, it's nothing new, EVERYBODY does that. Think real

Apple has a disclaimer about "simulated" images in most of their commercials, and if you look at their dedicated facetime ads [1] where they don't have a disclaimer, you'll notice...that is how facetime actually looks and works. [1] http://youtu.be/RxVzP_OWnDw?hd=1

*Sequences shortened

Re: Nokia faked the still photos too

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Post by manaskarekar » Thu, Sep 06, 2012, 12:06 PM UTC

digitalengineer wrote: post #41

infinity wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, it is very easy to edit and fake EXIF and metadata. Adding EXIF data fields to demo pictures does not increase the credibility.

All right. How about hiring the best photographer-artist and letting people sign up and co-create photo's with them? Everything will auto-upload to the cloud in the artist's album live. No cheating there and I'd sure go for an experience like that.

I'm pretty sure Chase Jarvis did a lot to solidify the iPhone as a great camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDa-m65RyA

This is also standard launch procedure for Canon and Nikon (don't know about the others).

I hope the tech blogs that review this phone use their camera testing procedures on this phone.