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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Save the planet? The planet's fine - it's us that are fucked." -- George Carlin

Yes, I always found environmental protection kind of funny, nature does not need protection, it will survive until Earth becomes finally uninhabitable [0], it's us that might not make it that long if we don't take enough care. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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This is weird, it will cement climate change skepticism as crazy fascist thing unless it's followed by high-quality convincing body of work that discredit the current climate change work done globally. I wonder if that part will follow because it is possible to follow to some extent as it is very likely that there are plenty of low quality works done on the matter.

They need to be right about fraud in climate change research only once and the climate change research needs to be right %100 of the time and they need to have had communicated that correctly %100 of the time. They will have some worst case scenarios or oversimplifications and predictions that did not come to be true in obviously demonstrable way. It will be tough.

Regardless, this wouldn't mean much for EU, China, Japan and other fossil energy importing countries as with the Russian invasion of Ukraine this has become a matter of national security and not just some hippie ideal. It doesn't make sense anymore to drop clean and renewable energy even if the Trump administration proves that releasing smoke is the healthiest thing ever and helps with increasing the penis size.

So they are going to re-write history to fuel some ideology, as the fossils were to be extracted anyway.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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As am environmentalist, I've talked to many people not living in the US who are losing hope on humanity because of this kind of constant stream of news coming out of the US. I understand how it happens, but I'd hope people understood that Trump's USA is not the world. Just like people in general know not to extrapolate what Putin's administration is doing in Russia, they need to be able to do the same for the USA. At…

Social media is overwhelming and dominated by the U.S. A lot of people in countries that are making positive steps are losing hope unnecessarily because of this. The U.S. is 25% of the world economy and declining. Growing economies are ripe for growing with more climate friendly policies, not just because of the environmental impact (both from an AGW and local environmental perspective) but because of energy security…

Even absent US involvement, getting China and India away from oil and coal is critical.

https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china#what-sources...

https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/india#what-sources...

China is decreasing the percentage of fossil fuels in its total mix over the last 15 years (while still growing total energy generation).

India... less so.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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post #24

The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.

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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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I'm thankful for the US administration to truly give other countries a chance to come forward and something good, and take the center stage. But, as good as that opportunity is, I'm afraid the 3 years this administration has left wouldn't be enough to fully disassemble the US advantage. :)

It seems you might be too optimistic here. I doubt Trumpism will end with Trump.

In general, hard climate change denial as an ideology is only _really_ a thing in states that produce a lot of oil (or, specifically in the case of Australia, coal), and not all of them (notably it never caught on to any great degree in Norway). It's really very much motivated reasoning, and even Trump-esque movements outside the US generally don't push it too hard.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." Feynman -- In this case, nature will not just not be fooled, it will extract retribution, unfortunately also on those that weren't fooled in the first place.

The old reports were somehow protecting us? Carbon emissions can only be reduced by engineering and manufacturing advances

The impression I get from the extreme right (trump and his fans) is that they don't want to reduce carbon emissions at all and are working for the opposite. Denying the reality of climate change is one tool in their chest to get others to ignore it as well.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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post #24

The study questioned whether heat records are truly increasing and whether extreme weather is worsening. I thought we were past that. I thought that it was now about questioning whether it was human caused, or the size of the impact. Apparently we really are going back, and revisiting basic arithmetic.

> I thought we were past that

We are.

Before we had disagreements in the scientific community by respectable agents.

Now these are not a return to old debates, it's just that the current administration is abusing its authority to control information.

It's just a manifestation of the post truth.

This administration is abusing its authority to subvert instruments intended for specific uses in order to apply them to the trumpist agenda. The censorship of universities, sacking of govt agents that disagree with the administration, deportation of students, civilians being sent to El Salvador, the wrongful application of the Magnitsky law...

You don't need to take these threats at face value in order to stand agains them.

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