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Post by AlecSchueler »

philistine wrote: post #170
AlecSchueler wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The British PM isn't "basically" or in any way the head of state or of the legislature. The monarch and the House of Lords still exist and the latter should and very much do assert their power.

You believe that the monarch has any vestigial power?? If the PM calls the King to prorogue Parliament, they HAVE to do it. And the House of Lords has given its authority to the House of Commons. A British Prime Minister has more power than an American President.

> You believe that the monarch has any vestigial power??

I believe they are the head of state and that they carry out the functions of the head of state in a way that is consistent with comparable states such as Ireland or The Netherlands.

> And the House of Lords has given its authority to the House of Commons.

No they have not. The 1911 Act is alive and well. It is occasionally called into question but the Lords have retained their authority. And all of this is to say nothing of the courts etc.

> A British Prime Minister has more power than an American President.

This is neither here nor there in regards to the claim made above. They are not "basically" the legislature...

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by tim333 »

assword wrote: post #56
jddj wrote: post #43

The Reddit thread is reasonably inflamed, but the theory about changing reality downstream by changing the sources that chatbots ingest is a chilling one.

LLM’s mark the true beginning of a post truth world. That’s why the serial liars are so excited.

LLMs so far seem fairly good on being factual.

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by MagnumOpus »

OtherShrezzing wrote: post #29
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wanted to do the Constitution (and US law in general) in git, but dates before unix epoch weren't possible. I don't think it's since been fixed. I had went so far as to start digging up treaties (about 700 of them, ratified) and draft constitutions (would have been non-master branches of some sort). It would be nice if Congress and legislatures actually used git as a matter of law, having names attached to every co…

I don't really think Git is the appropriate tool for version control on legislation. There's hundreds of thousands of actions/conversations/motions on each "commit" to a nation's legislation, and all of those actions need to be tracked permanently. Moreover, most countries have an "append-only" approach to legislation, where the original document doesn't get removed, but overridden by the new. Look at the UK's Hansar…

In my opinion that is a bug with the format of laws and legislation in the UK and especially the US though.

Laws in countries with codified Napoleonic legal tradition have no problems changing the text of the laws on the book. Yes, tracking the parliamentary debate and proposals would be messy, but tracking the changes in the articles of the law isn’t. This is a simple GitHub version of the German constitution for instance (picking an article that actually has been amended, here the one about the military draft and conscription):

https://github.com/c3e/grundgesetz/blame/master/012a.md

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by philistine »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #171
philistine wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You believe that the monarch has any vestigial power?? If the PM calls the King to prorogue Parliament, they HAVE to do it. And the House of Lords has given its authority to the House of Commons. A British Prime Minister has more power than an American President.

> You believe that the monarch has any vestigial power?? I believe they are the head of state and that they carry out the functions of the head of state in a way that is consistent with comparable states such as Ireland or The Netherlands. > And the House of Lords has given its authority to the House of Commons. No they have not. The 1911 Act is alive and well. It is occasionally called into question but the Lords ha…

If you believe the British Monarch has the leeway of the elected Irish President, oh boy, you have drank the kool-aid of the monarchists who are adamant the monarch is needed.

The reality is the British monarch acts, and only acts, under recommandation of their Prime Minister. The King could not deny the letter of credence to a nation without advice from a PM, or accept letters of credence without advice as well.

That means the PM effectively controls the Head of State, and when you control the Head of State, you are exercising their power.

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by AlecSchueler »

philistine wrote: post #174
AlecSchueler wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You believe that the monarch has any vestigial power?? I believe they are the head of state and that they carry out the functions of the head of state in a way that is consistent with comparable states such as Ireland or The Netherlands. > And the House of Lords has given its authority to the House of Commons. No they have not. The 1911 Act is alive and well. It is occasionally called into question but the Lords ha…

If you believe the British Monarch has the leeway of the elected Irish President, oh boy, you have drank the kool-aid of the monarchists who are adamant the monarch is needed. The reality is the British monarch acts, and only acts, under recommandation of their Prime Minister. The King could not deny the letter of credence to a nation without advice from a PM, or accept letters of credence without advice as well. Tha…

> oh boy, you have drank the kool-aid of the monarchists who are adamant the monarch is needed.

I have to say before anything else that this comes across as extremely condescending and not at all in keeping with the site guidelines. It's unlikely that I will give a further response after this.

> The reality is the British monarch acts, and only acts, under recommandation of their Prime Minister.

You mean similarly to how the president acts under recommendation from the Taoiseach?

> The King could not deny the letter of credence to a nation without advice from a PM, or accept letters of credence without advice as well.

You think the president could do this in the ROI?

> That means the PM effectively controls the Head of State

Ok? There is more to being head of state than your cherry picked examples. In nether case are they the same role and to reiterate: the House of Lords and the British court system are very much not without authority.

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by zzzeek »

Levitz wrote: post #165
zzzeek wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they are always testing what they can get away with

So the rational explanation is somewhere along the lines of "someone ordered to remove a small section of the constitution of the US off a government website (not all of them) and monitored the response (through social media, I guess?) and then, when they confirmed it had been noticed, rolled it back" all of it having no actual legal effect whatsoever, because they are just testing the waters?

No the explanation is "create a culture of lawlessness and impunity, fill all positions with wildly unqualified and incompetent people, rev them up to 1000 with MAGA entitlement, and let them all go loose. Whatever becomes too hot in the press, ok fix that part but keep going "

That's it , that's all it is . Pour plenty of cocaine and ketamine into the machine to keep it moving smoothly.

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