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Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

buerkle wrote: post #8
docdeek wrote: post #6

It is strange that showing ID to vote is controversial in the US and that providing basic ID to citizens for free to allow them to vote is a problem that seems difficult to solve (or want to solve). My anecdote: I am an EU citizen living in another EU country. As such, I am permitted to vote in local and European elections. When I moved to my current village I registered with the local town hall online. I sent a scan…

Showing ID to vote wouldn't be controversial in the US if states made it easy to obtain a valid ID for the purpose. But states routinely use it as a backdoor mechanism to prevent people from voting.

To add to this, there’s friction from the citizen side of things with a relatively high level of distrust in government that’s been present for decades. If you go out deep enough into the boonies for instance you can probably find people who still don’t have government ID of any type despite being native born and prefer to keep it that way.

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Post by Sniffnoy »

docdeek wrote: post #6

It is strange that showing ID to vote is controversial in the US and that providing basic ID to citizens for free to allow them to vote is a problem that seems difficult to solve (or want to solve). My anecdote: I am an EU citizen living in another EU country. As such, I am permitted to vote in local and European elections. When I moved to my current village I registered with the local town hall online. I sent a scan…

> It is strange that showing ID to vote is controversial in the US and that providing basic ID to citizens for free to allow them to vote is a problem that seems difficult to solve (or want to solve).

One of the blockers to a national ID system in the US, that would result in voter ID no longer posing any substantive obstacle to voting, has been anti-government paranoia; but another, if you're not aware, has been fundamentalist Christianity and its eschatology -- fundamentalist Christians may associate the idea of a national ID with the "mark of the beast".

The amusing thing here of course is that while Trump's attempt to unilaterally impose ID rules is illegal, if it were successful, it would likely be an own goal. Formerly, the sort of person who is likely to not have any sort of ID -- someone disconnected from any systems that would require it -- was more likely to vote Democratic than Republican, but in recent years, this has reversed. While I can't cheer for breaking election laws (or for a court ruling that this is in fact legal, because it shouldn't be considered so), it would at least be amusing if this backfired.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by antonymoose »

buerkle wrote: post #8
docdeek wrote: post #6

It is strange that showing ID to vote is controversial in the US and that providing basic ID to citizens for free to allow them to vote is a problem that seems difficult to solve (or want to solve). My anecdote: I am an EU citizen living in another EU country. As such, I am permitted to vote in local and European elections. When I moved to my current village I registered with the local town hall online. I sent a scan…

Showing ID to vote wouldn't be controversial in the US if states made it easy to obtain a valid ID for the purpose. But states routinely use it as a backdoor mechanism to prevent people from voting.

In my state I bring two forms of ID and a couple of bills to the DMV and I’m issued a same-day license?

How does that compare to a notoriously unfriendly nation like Germany?

In any case, my understanding is virtually any nation in Central and South America requires identification to vote. If the third-world poverty stricken nations make it work there is no reason the rich United States cannot.

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Post by favorited »

lesuorac wrote: post #2

Honestly, kinda hope they did require a passport to vote. It'll be great to see what a shitshow it is when 70% of people in Arkansas [1] can't vote. It seems to be pretty evenly split amongst being the administration and their primary opposition although I guess devil might be in the details [2]. [1]: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/... [2]: https://today.yougov.com/travel/articles/35414-o…

That's a great way to ensure that only folks who have had the means to travel internationally in the last 10 years are allowed to vote.

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Post by xracy »

jimbo808 wrote: post #3
lesuorac wrote: post #2

Honestly, kinda hope they did require a passport to vote. It'll be great to see what a shitshow it is when 70% of people in Arkansas [1] can't vote. It seems to be pretty evenly split amongst being the administration and their primary opposition although I guess devil might be in the details [2]. [1]: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/... [2]: https://today.yougov.com/travel/articles/35414-o…

> A recent Economist/YouGov poll doesn’t show any party gap on this question, as Democrats (41%) and Republicans (38%) are equally likely to hold and not hold valid passports

Sorry, how is a 3% difference "no gap"? Am I misunderstanding those metrics? If a Democrat is 3% more likely to hold a passport, that seems like a potentially huge impact to elections.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by erghjunk »

antonymoose wrote: post #13
buerkle wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Showing ID to vote wouldn't be controversial in the US if states made it easy to obtain a valid ID for the purpose. But states routinely use it as a backdoor mechanism to prevent people from voting.

In my state I bring two forms of ID and a couple of bills to the DMV and I’m issued a same-day license? How does that compare to a notoriously unfriendly nation like Germany? In any case, my understanding is virtually any nation in Central and South America requires identification to vote. If the third-world poverty stricken nations make it work there is no reason the rich United States cannot.

assuming that you're talking about a driver's license, you're leaving out the important steps of passing driving tests and, more importantly, having a car.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by antonymoose »

erghjunk wrote: post #17
antonymoose wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my state I bring two forms of ID and a couple of bills to the DMV and I’m issued a same-day license? How does that compare to a notoriously unfriendly nation like Germany? In any case, my understanding is virtually any nation in Central and South America requires identification to vote. If the third-world poverty stricken nations make it work there is no reason the rich United States cannot.

assuming that you're talking about a driver's license, you're leaving out the important steps of passing driving tests and, more importantly, having a car.

My state (as do most?) offer a state issued photo ID at the DMV, none of this driving nonsense is required.
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