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Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by JKCalhoun »

cameron_b wrote: post #86
zzzeek wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this constant skepticism, where does it come from? Does Donald Trump have to come knock on your door personally and say "Hey I'm a fascist dictator!" for you to believe your eyes what the presidency is so obviously doing day in and day out? Did you not notice when they illegally swept up 200 men who had tattoos, claimed they were gang members, and sent them off to a foreign prison in direct violation of court orders?…

What you see as skepticism, others see as Hanlon's Razor[0]. The prevailing wind of incompetence has masked a lot of what you might rightly consider malice, but in holding to a certain decorum or "wishing the best of people" there is a lot that could just be bungling. I'm certainly not saying you're wrong, a lot of dots connect and do look like malice, but there's a vast amount of data that supports incompetence. [0]…

Like the person you are responding too ... at what point does Hanlon's Razor become dull?

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by unethical_ban »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #67
bloomingeek wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would argue the three branches should rarely be aligned with each other. They should follow the Constitution AND keep checks and balances on each other. Neither of the branches should have absolute power over the others. This opinion, although not an expert one, is because of what is currently happening in the US and the lack of wisdom being employed.

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The point of checks and balances is not obstruction for the sake of obstruction. It is that no branch should be subservient or overly deferential to the other branches.

For example, Congress should not do everything the president wants just because he's the president as is happening now.

Congresspeople have said out loud that the job of Congress is to ask "how high" when the president says "jump". Congress last year backtracked on immigration reform because the Republican candidate demanded it. Congress just took vacation early because the president needs a break from the stress of being on a sex traffickers contact list. Congress has allowed the executive to destroy congressionally mandated departments without challenge.

Each body of government should be protective of their own power and responsibility and fight against other branches illegally usurping it.

I recommend reading Federalist 51, and perhaps 53 and 76. Also John Adams "Thoughts on Government".

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by JKCalhoun »

gotoeleven wrote: post #78
zzzeek wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this constant skepticism, where does it come from? Does Donald Trump have to come knock on your door personally and say "Hey I'm a fascist dictator!" for you to believe your eyes what the presidency is so obviously doing day in and day out? Did you not notice when they illegally swept up 200 men who had tattoos, claimed they were gang members, and sent them off to a foreign prison in direct violation of court orders?…

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From my reading, the administration claimed it was legal, a Federal judge stepped in and said it was not legal (the administration ignored), and finally the Supreme Court ruled due process was in fact denied: some deportees lacked criminal records and denied any meaningful judicial review or legal defense.

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by tpoacher »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #69
_justinfunk wrote: post #49

Presuming this is just incompetence instead of malice, when the missing paragraphs are replaced, will "Constitution of the United States Website has replaced missing sections" hit the front page of HN?

> Presuming this is just incompetence instead of malice why would you make this presumption?

Because in this case even if it were malice, it would still be of the incompetent kind. So as per the conjunction fallacy, it's far more likely to be incompetence than malice.

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by _justinfunk »

JohnHaugeland wrote: post #69
_justinfunk wrote: post #49

Presuming this is just incompetence instead of malice, when the missing paragraphs are replaced, will "Constitution of the United States Website has replaced missing sections" hit the front page of HN?

> Presuming this is just incompetence instead of malice why would you make this presumption?

You make presumptions to examine arguments.

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by joot82 »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #57
gotoeleven wrote: post #15

Looking at the diff it looks like just the end of Article 1 got truncated. It's not like there are lots of random edits here and there.

Sorry for the downvotes, but facts don't fit the narrative here

You can downvote here?

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by sickofparadox »

joot82 wrote: post #98
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the downvotes, but facts don't fit the narrative here

You can downvote here?

Once you reach a certain points threshold (500?) you can downvote and vouch for flagged comments.

Re: Constitution of the United States Website has removed sections

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Post by sundaeofshock »

cjaackie wrote: post #25
sundaeofshock wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but I’m glad they are making it public. The old US is gone; time to figure out where we go from here.

Sounds like maybe a positive spin on the erosion of the fundamental building blocks of our democracy. This to me is a strange take, if I’m reading that correctly, what do you mean by it?

I mean that the US, my country, effectively ceased to exist in its old form on January 20, 2025. The Trump regime has been working aggressively to destroy all vestiges of our democracy and replace it with autocratic rule.

This is some bullshit and pisses me off, but here we are.

While I’m not happy they are changing the text of the constitution on this website, I’m glad they are such bumbling idiots about it.

“The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters.”

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