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Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by ivanmontillam »

charcircuit wrote: post #16
uamgeoalsk wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

good for you. you're still supporting google by using a chromium-based browser

Anyone can contribute to chromium. It's an open source project so improvements and popularity benefits everyone, not just Google.

The main issue with Chromium is not that it's not that it benefits Google.

The main issue is that it's so mainstream, it strongarms standardization bodies making them ineffective.

Chromium is so mainstream that developers think developing for other browsers is irrelevant, even putting notices of deprecation for Safari and Firefox.

W3C is on the brink of irrelevancy, because if it works on Chromium, why bother with the others? if W3C cannot enforce the standard.

EDIT: Typo

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by samgranieri »

pjmlp wrote: post #7
kjfaejgoaeijhei wrote: post #4

to anyone who believes this is good news: enjoy your chrome monoculture in a few years when apple stops developing safari

Apparently the IE lesson was lost on newer generations.

ugh... so much pain and time trying to get pages to look nice on that decaying pile of bits. I was overjoyed when those sneaky veternan engineers at YouTube put up their banner: https://blog.chriszacharias.com/a-conspiracy-to-kill-ie6

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by criddell »

immibis wrote: post #6
agust wrote: post #2

So after the EU and the UK, Japan is now putting an end to Apple's iOS alternative browser engine ban too. Those are 3 large jurisdictions, I wonder if that's now a market big enough for Chrome and Firefox to invest into iOS versions of their browser that use Blink and Gecko under the hood. From what I heard this was one of the main reasons they haven't done it yet.

I thought it was because Apple still put so many roadblocks in the way of browser developers that nobody was able to pass them.

Don't expect Apple to just open the gates and say anything goes as far as the browser is concerned. Instead, look for an Apple build of Firefox and maybe an Apple build of Chrome that you will be able to install.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by kjfaejgoaeijhei »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #21
charcircuit wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can contribute to chromium. It's an open source project so improvements and popularity benefits everyone, not just Google.

The main issue with Chromium is not that it's not that it benefits Google. The main issue is that it's so mainstream, it strongarms standardization bodies making them ineffective. Chromium is so mainstream that developers think developing for other browsers is irrelevant, even putting notices of deprecation for Safari and Firefox. W3C is on the brink of irrelevancy, because if it works on Chromium, why bother with th…

i kind of agree - although all of this does end up indirectly benefitting google. while the project is open source, they're the ones maintaining the project, and believing that they won't do anything they think they can get away with to grow their power and influence is extremely naive.

if safari dies, firefox won't be far behind, and by then there's no way a fork of chromium will be able to "keep up" when google starts pushing chrome-only features, killing ad-blockers etc etc etc

(not sure if any of this matters, though. will there even be any real people left on the web in a 5 years?)

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by pjmlp »

charcircuit wrote: post #16
uamgeoalsk wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

good for you. you're still supporting google by using a chromium-based browser

Anyone can contribute to chromium. It's an open source project so improvements and popularity benefits everyone, not just Google.

I think you mean ChromeOS Platform.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by npteljes »

ImHereToVote wrote: post #9
kjfaejgoaeijhei wrote: post #4

to anyone who believes this is good news: enjoy your chrome monoculture in a few years when apple stops developing safari

I use Brave. Just fork it.

Brave is also contributing to the Chrome monoculture, same as how the Android forks are contributing to the Android culture. The base projects are so large that no team will do a proper job updating it if, or when, the source project stops being open source. They are entirely beholden to the original developers, and they will also merge whatever change the original developers do, as the cost of maintaining a fork is big enough as it is, without breaking changes.

I do appreciate these being open-source. But there must not be an illusion that these large projects being open source means that "just forking" works. A culture is much more than a repository.

Re: Japan: Apple Must Lift Browser Engine Ban by December

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Post by amadeuspagel »

kjfaejgoaeijhei wrote: post #4

to anyone who believes this is good news: enjoy your chrome monoculture in a few years when apple stops developing safari

If I was worried about a chrome monoculture I would want Safari to face competition. Apple has more then enough resources to invest in it.
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