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Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Schools next to a stroad really aren't that unheard of in the United States.
Yes so slow em down.
The surrounding context was a comment about how the flashing light WASN'T on and how the speed limit was, per the sign, only enforced when the flashing light is on.
So, "why would it be 40mph?" because it's a stroad - a main thoroughfare through a town that's like maybe 5 or more lanes wide (including both directions and the 'turning lane'.
There's value in asking the question why there's such a wild variance in speeds between "normal" speed and "school open/close" hours, and that's a useful question to ask and likely comes down to the car-centric politics that filled the United States for well over 50 years, and will take a very long time (and a lot of political clout) to fix.
Depending on the size of the town, that may also, literally, be "the only road" that makes sense for that school to be on, so you have conflicting interests of a major, high-speed arterial road as well as the safety of children during particular hours.
And to add *even more* to that, if you're going 40 and expect the speed limit to be 40 and everyone around you also expects the speed limit to be 40 (because that's the posted speed limit, and the sign isn't flashing), then you going 20 creates a 20mph differential between you and the rest of the traffic around you and now you're *going* to cause an accident.
Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Schools next to a stroad really aren't that unheard of in the United States.
Yes so slow em down.
On the bright side, there's zero reason to slow cars down when kids aren't being actively picked up or dropped off.
(Not that there was a reason to slow the cars down during off hours in the past, since the law has always been "When children are present" in places I've lived, which is good enough.)
Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes so slow em down.
Have you seen modern US schools? They're basically setup like prison yards because of all the school shootings. There's no way the kids are going to run into the street without first going through a parking lot (and, often, a line of bollards). On the bright side, there's zero reason to slow cars down when kids aren't being actively picked up or dropped off. (Not that there was a reason to slow the cars down during o…
Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose
#16After 3 decades living in WestCentral FL counties, I learned something about local police departments. You can measure the ethics of the police chief (and to a lesser degree, county commissioners), by whether they embrace or refuse revenue-generating traffic cameras. a school speed zone camera caught him going 38 mph when he thought the speed limit was 40mph because the school speed zone sign wasn’t flashing when he…
Should the broken flashing lights be fixed? Of course, and "school" times in regard to community safety zones should also be standardised state-wide.
What's the incentive for implementing misleading automated ticketing cameras if the revenue generated can only be used to do what the cameras already do? The purpose of the cameras is to improve safety. The money isn't going to Christmas bonuses so the police chief can buy a boat.
> “It’s violator-funded. If you don't want to pay $100, it is a very simple hack—don't speed in school zones and you won't get a citation.”
Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes so slow em down.
Have you seen modern US schools? They're basically setup like prison yards because of all the school shootings. There's no way the kids are going to run into the street without first going through a parking lot (and, often, a line of bollards). On the bright side, there's zero reason to slow cars down when kids aren't being actively picked up or dropped off. (Not that there was a reason to slow the cars down during o…
Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose
#18After 3 decades living in WestCentral FL counties, I learned something about local police departments. You can measure the ethics of the police chief (and to a lesser degree, county commissioners), by whether they embrace or refuse revenue-generating traffic cameras. a school speed zone camera caught him going 38 mph when he thought the speed limit was 40mph because the school speed zone sign wasn’t flashing when he…
> According to state law, all the money collected by local governments through paid fines can only be used for public safety initiatives like crossing guards and police training. Should the broken flashing lights be fixed? Of course, and "school" times in regard to community safety zones should also be standardised state-wide. What's the incentive for implementing misleading automated ticketing cameras if the revenue…
Re: Drivers who appeal school speed zone camera fines almost guaranteed to lose
#19> the signage requirements for school speed zones only require signs to designate when the school zone is in effect. So even if a school speed zone sign states that drivers must slow down “when [the light is] flashing,” that light doesn’t have to actually be flashing for a driver to get cited. I'm a little confused. If the light isn't flashing, doesn't that mean that the school zone isn't in effect? I don't understan…