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Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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By putting the price at $1,000,000 they might have a chance at actually getting the information. Sure they could have put the price at 10 or 100 million dollars, but the probability that Romney would pay out would be miniscule. I am sure at the ransom price is more money than these guys have ever seen. Why not price the information at a rate which somebody might actually pay?

Since bitcoin is decentralized, I cannot imagine any law passed could successfully outlaw it.

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/1j1yzQ9S I'm not very familiar with the Bitcoin protocol: Can all users view the values of these two bitcoin accounts -- or BTC in transit?

Yes, the transactions to and from these accounts are available here: Stop release: https://blockchain.info/address/1HeF89wMjC48bWNgWvVo7Wu3RaLW... Full release: https://blockchain.info/address/12AP6iCwRNFQqKLStH3A4b4hw3SL...

Those amounts that look like 8 bits of binary are interesting, but don't seem to convert to meaningful ascii.

That would have been fun.

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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Surely if it's true he needs to release his tax records and play "Don't give in to criminals". Might even make him look good / a victim.

The chance of seeing the inside of a jail massively outweighs the chance of these guys getting any money...

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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I don't understand why they made this a public posting. Romney isn't incentivized to pay up once the blackmail is public knowledge -- payment is equivalent to admitting guilt. Might as well keep your money and take the hits. I don't see any situations where this beats contacting the campaign privately, with a document or two in hand to prove that you have the real stuff. Unless, of course, if this is just a stunt tha…

Romney would never pay directly, that's not an option that is even in the realm of possibility.

Surrogates, though, or better yet supporters...

The ideal outcome for the person who made the post is that Obama and Romney supporters get in a bidding war.

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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Now if only they could steal Obama's college transcripts he's paid over a million dollars to keep sealed...

"It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission."

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to dilute what the words means to the point it can mean just about any crime, sure. But if you're referring to the strict term, then no.

>the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion Which word am I diluting exactly? If Romney is as afraid of releasing his taxes as many imply, would he not be fearful of their release? edit2: thanks for the replies, I think I understand why y'all disagree and I think that I agree with you. It's not systematic and it's not being used to intimidate others, it's too focused, basically.

Being "fearful" or "worried" about the political consequences of a document being made public isn't the same as "terror." Not wanting to leave your family alone because they may be raped and murdered is terrifying. I think that's the dilution the parent comment was talking about.

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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Now if only they could steal Obama's college transcripts he's paid over a million dollars to keep sealed...

Equally relevant!

Point taken, but I'd be happy if candidates just released both sorts of information and weren't so afraid of being transparent.

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is genuine, I don't know why they think they'll get away with it. Also $1M is way too low of an amount to blackmail Romney for. Talk about selling yourself short.

Eh, I'm not sure. It's pretty clear what's in Romney's returns at this point (a lower than average income tax rate, though it's hard to say whether it's closer to 5% or 15%), so I don't see a huge downside risk for him in them being released. If they upped their demands to, say $10 million, we're talking about real money, even for Mitt. Enough to get an extra percent of the vote or so in a moderate sized state. Unles…

paying the ransom is just as bad, since it confirms that there's something worth covering up.

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it is genuine, I don't know why they think they'll get away with it. Also $1M is way too low of an amount to blackmail Romney for. Talk about selling yourself short.

Eh, I'm not sure. It's pretty clear what's in Romney's returns at this point (a lower than average income tax rate, though it's hard to say whether it's closer to 5% or 15%), so I don't see a huge downside risk for him in them being released. If they upped their demands to, say $10 million, we're talking about real money, even for Mitt. Enough to get an extra percent of the vote or so in a moderate sized state. Unles…

A quick point and a theory:

First, it's not true that the average American pays 15% in income taxes. An typical family in the middle of the income spectrum pays about 5.6%.[1]

As far as Romney's returns go, I have a hunch that the political problems wouldn't be in the numbers, but in something like his charitable giving, of which there's an awful lot. What if one of the church programs he gave to turns out to have had some politically incorrect pamphlets, for example? Suddenly he'd be in a position to have to defend everyone he'd ever given $1 (or more likely, $10,000).

[1] http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3151

Re: Anonymous allegedly hacked Romney tax records

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I don't understand why they made this a public posting. Romney isn't incentivized to pay up once the blackmail is public knowledge -- payment is equivalent to admitting guilt. Might as well keep your money and take the hits. I don't see any situations where this beats contacting the campaign privately, with a document or two in hand to prove that you have the real stuff. Unless, of course, if this is just a stunt tha…

I suppose it's within the realm of possibility that he could make the payment privately, deny that he ever did so, and then take the position that no one was ever in possession of the documents and the whole thing was just a scam and the documents were never released because no one ever had them.

It's plenty likely that the whole thing IS just a scam and they don't actually have the documents.

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