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Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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post #9

Germany, like America, is operated by and for the benefit of car companies. Their infrastructure difficulties share root causes with America's.

Or there is a sane explanation - People drive cars -> People push their politicians to improve road infrastructure -> less money for other infrastructure -> trains are underfunded -> trains and tracks are having maintenance issues a reliability starts to fall apart -> people drive cars even more.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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No longer? They were bitching and moaning when I visited fifteen years ago in my hostel. They got horrified when I told them they're coddled to be annoyed about 15 minute delays and spoke on how things are in the states... anyways this is troubling I guess... but it's not new.

Edit: also, I found the English UI to be the best in the EU (yes, better than UK's) and traveled the continent on DB, so while I sympathize with wanting things better... as an American it was a pretty good system.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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post #8

The punctuality of the trains has been more of a joke for quite a bit, I don't think it's a big part of German identity. The part that is really terrible are the long-distance trains. Not that the regional trains are always punctual, their reliability varies a lot per route. But they're not as bad as the long-distance trains. One big recent improvement is the Germany ticket, for 58 EUR per month you can take any regi…

I got the impression they have a different cultural definition of "late" -- they'd get as mad about a 15 minute delay as folks in the states would get about an hour plus delay.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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I moved to Germany 10 years ago and while regional and suburban train service has been great, the long distance service has been terrible, with high prices, almost no high speed service and no competition. I'm Italian and therefore I had very low expectations, but at least high speed trains in Italy run better than Germany (at least until recently, when lack of regular maintenance work ultimately made its dent into t…

> regional and suburban train service has been great In which city?

I don't know what others think, but Munich seemed reliable to me.

YMMV

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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post #10
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's from August 5th. It includes some nice graphs, apparently the punctuality really plummeted around 2020.

I wish the author would dive into that even a little bit. It looks like COVID killed the performance. Why? And what about post COVID?

Maybe train personnel out sick?

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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I moved to Germany 10 years ago and while regional and suburban train service has been great, the long distance service has been terrible, with high prices, almost no high speed service and no competition. I'm Italian and therefore I had very low expectations, but at least high speed trains in Italy run better than Germany (at least until recently, when lack of regular maintenance work ultimately made its dent into t…

There are so many Germans on YouTube mocking both the lack of time precisiin as well as the pricing schedule where to get reasonably priced tickets is you have to book them three months in advance

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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I moved to Germany 10 years ago and while regional and suburban train service has been great, the long distance service has been terrible, with high prices, almost no high speed service and no competition. I'm Italian and therefore I had very low expectations, but at least high speed trains in Italy run better than Germany (at least until recently, when lack of regular maintenance work ultimately made its dent into t…

> high speed trains in Italy run better than Germany

Not to excuse the German performance, but part of the reason is that the Italian high-speed railway network is significantly simpler than the German one, also in terms of interconnections with neighbouring countries:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Italy_TAV.png#/media...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ICE_Network.png#/med...

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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When I toured Germany in the 1980s with a train pass, there were clocks all over the train stations. If the train was scheduled to start at 11:07, when the big hand clicked to 7, the train started to move.

It was wonderful.

BTW, the D community is all over the world. We schedule a zoom meeting each month. When we began the meetings, and the meeting started at, say, 8, the meeting organizer would say "we need to wait a bit for the rest to join us". I put my foot down and said when the meeting is scheduled for 8, it starts at exactly 8.

And everyone shows up on time! It's amazing how that works.

Re: Germany's identity crisis: The trains no longer run on time

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post #13
post #8

The punctuality of the trains has been more of a joke for quite a bit, I don't think it's a big part of German identity. The part that is really terrible are the long-distance trains. Not that the regional trains are always punctual, their reliability varies a lot per route. But they're not as bad as the long-distance trains. One big recent improvement is the Germany ticket, for 58 EUR per month you can take any regi…

I got the impression they have a different cultural definition of "late" -- they'd get as mad about a 15 minute delay as folks in the states would get about an hour plus delay.

Maybe twenty years ago, but these days it's pretty common to have hour-long delays, or to have trains be cancelled at short notice, or rearranged such that you won't get a connection. When traveling East/West, I'd pretty much always recommend planning a buffer of at least an hour, more if your journey involves connections.
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