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Re: Eleven Music

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Post by blargey »

two-sandwich wrote: post #9

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

Art is communication.

That "generic" and "indescribably lifeless" feeling you get is because the only thing communicated by a model-and-prompt generation is the model identity and the prompt.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by ethan_smith »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #2

OT: Has anyone tried the opposite - ask AI to listen to music and determine the notes or chords being played? Or watch someone playing an instrument and give a textual output of what notes/chords they are playing.

There are several tools that do this already - AnthemScore, Spleeter, CREPE, and even Google's AudioLM can transcribe music to MIDI with varying accuracy depending on instrument complexity and audio quality.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by shadowgovt »

throwaway1280 wrote: post #40

This is an incredible achievement, but as a musician, I wish this would go die in a fire. I'm a bedroom hobby musician with no dreams of ever making it big, but even so, I'm looking at the hours I'm spending trying to improve my skills and thinking what's the point, really, when I could just type in 'heavy metal guitar solo at 160bpm, A minor' and get something much much better? I know there is value in creating art…

When Harmonix was in the concept phase for Guitar Hero, there were two slides in the presentation. The first was the "con" slide: novel game style risks not finding a market, technical challenges of the new style of gameplay, requiring peripherals for a game is a famous pathway to low-volume sales.

The next slide was labeled "pro," and it was just a picture of Jimi Hendrix on-stage mid-performance.

I'd submit to you the notion that even if the machine can create a billion billion iterations of music, it still cannot create what you will create, for the reasons you will create it, and that's reason enough to continue. Hendrix wasn't just "a guy who played guitar good." And a machine that could word-for-word and bar-for-bar synthesize "Foxy Lady" wouldn't be Hendrix.

Hendrix, also, can't be you. Nor you him.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by fruitworks »

sekai wrote: post #58
two-sandwich wrote: post #9

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

> and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. Art is, above all, subjective. > It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with indescribably lifeless properties. Painters said the same thing about the camera. Photographers said the same thing about Photoshop.

This art is subjectively bad

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by ElectricalTears »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #2

OT: Has anyone tried the opposite - ask AI to listen to music and determine the notes or chords being played? Or watch someone playing an instrument and give a textual output of what notes/chords they are playing.

A while ago (maybe a year) I asked chatgpt to make a guitar tab from a song that had no available tabs and it worked surprisingly well.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by pimeys »

mixologic wrote: post #7

Well, so much for culture. Every use case where you can plausibly use AI generated music removes one more method that provided an avenue to a reasonable career making music.

One more avenue of making something creative...

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by rootforce »

throwaway1280 wrote: post #40

This is an incredible achievement, but as a musician, I wish this would go die in a fire. I'm a bedroom hobby musician with no dreams of ever making it big, but even so, I'm looking at the hours I'm spending trying to improve my skills and thinking what's the point, really, when I could just type in 'heavy metal guitar solo at 160bpm, A minor' and get something much much better? I know there is value in creating art…

I can't see the future, but I imagine that the human art community may actually get more vibrant when divorced from being a way to make a living. Perhaps a return to something like a patronage system for the exceptional artists.

Open mics, music circles and concerts also remain untouched for the moment.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by qgin »

two-sandwich wrote: post #9

If you consider that Entertainment gives the viewer what they want, and art intends to challenge, none of what's created here is "art". It doesn't push boundaries, create new genres, or satisfy an uncomfortable curiosity. The tech here is fantastic. I love that such things are possible now and they're an exciting frontier in creation. It's very dystopian to feel that the robots are making generic human-music with ind…

If your art can be replaced by a model that recycles what’s already been done, maybe you were just recycling what’s already been done too.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by fruitworks »

kingstnap wrote: post #55
bix6 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These feels different than experimenting with a new synth or something though. It’s just feeding a sentence to the model.

I draw a very sharp line: curating the outputs and crafting the sentence is enough to make it art. If neither of those happen, it's just slop. It's actually a bit like photography. A bunch of randomly taken pictures piled together is not art. It needs to be done with purpose and refinement. Basically, in my own opinion, art ≠ a function of technical difficulty. Art = Curation, Refinement, and Taste

Curation, refinement and taste is practicially worthless on its own. The technical difficulty of art is the investment that makes it worth considering.

So if you are right, then art will pretty much be worthless in the future. You can just iterate over the search space defined by "good taste" and produce an infinite amount of good art for no work.

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