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Re: Open models by OpenAI

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Post by ticulatedspline »

deviation wrote: post #13

So this confirms a best-in-class model release within the next few days? From a strategic perspective, I can't think of any reason they'd release this unless they were about to announce something which totally eclipses it?

Even without an imminent release it's a good strategy. They're getting pressure from Qwen and other high performing open-weight models. without a horse in the race they could fall behind in an entire segment.

There's future opportunity in licensing, tech support, agents, or even simply to dominate and eliminate. Not to mention brand awareness, If you like these you might be more likely to approach their brand for larger models.

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Post by a_wild_dandan »

x187463 wrote: post #23

Running a model comparable to o3 on a 24GB Mac Mini is absolutely wild. Seems like yesterday the idea of running frontier (at the time) models locally or on a mobile device was 5+ years out. At this rate, we'll be running such models in the next phone cycle.

Right? I still remember the safety outrage of releasing Llama. Now? My 96 GB of (V)RAM MacBook will be running a 120B parameter frontier lab model. So excited to get my hands on the MLX quants and see how it feels compared to GLM-4.5-air.

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Post by BoorishBears »

hnuser123456 wrote: post #7

Text only, when local multimodal became table stakes last year.

The community can always figure out hooking it up to other modalities.

Native might be better, but no native multimodal model is very competitive yet, so better to take a competitive model and latch on vision/audio

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Post by sigmar »

sadiq wrote: post #41

Looks like Groq (at 1k+ tokens/second) and Fireworks are already live on openrouter: https://openrouter.ai/openai/gpt-oss-120b $0.15M in / $0.6-0.75M out edit: Now Cerebras too at 3,815 tps for $0.25M / $0.69M out.

Non-rhetorically, why would someone pay for o3 api now that I can get this open model from openai served for cheaper? Interesting dynamic... will they drop o3 pricing next week (which is 10-20x the cost[1])?

[1] currently $3M in/ $8M out https://platform.openai.com/docs/pricing

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Post by robotmaxtron »

outlore wrote: post #37
Disposal8433 wrote: post #21

Please don't use the open-source term unless you ship the TBs of data downloaded from Anna's Archive that are required do build it yourself. And dont forget all the system prompts to censor the multiple topics that they don't want you to see.

by your definition most of the current open weight models would not qualify

Correct. I agree with them, most of the open weight models are not open source.

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Post by sebzim4500 »

ahmedhawas123 wrote: post #40

Exciting as this is to toy around with... Perhaps I missed it somewhere, but I find it frustrating that, unlike most other open weight models and despite this being an open release, OpenAI has chosen to provide pretty minimal transparency regarding model architecture and training. It's become the norm for LLama, Deepseek, Qwenn, Mistral and others to provide a pretty detailed write up on the model which allows resear…

The model files contain an exact description of the architecture of the network, there isn't anything novel.

Given these new models are closer to the SOTA than they are to competing open models, this suggests that the 'secret sauce' at OpenAI is primarily about training rather than model architecture.

Hence why they won't talk about the training.

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