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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by Uehreka »

lackoftactics wrote: post #63

I thought I was not going to see too many negative comments here, yet I was mistaken. I thought if it's not LLM, people would have a more nuanced take and could look at the research with an open mind. The examples on the website are probably cherry-picked, but progress is really nice compared to Genie 2. It's a nice step towards gains in embodied AI. Good work, DeepMind.

A lot of the negativity around this post is about the fact that there’s no demo and no open weights, which is Correct Negativity. Like don’t get me wrong, it would be cool for something like this to exist, but I’ve generally learned not to trust AI companies’ descriptions of their models until someone (or I) can actually get their hands on it and see if it’s usable at all. A description of a model that isn’t going to be released to the public isn’t very interesting to me.

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Post by Philpax »

dandellion wrote: post #71
brotchie wrote: post #9

First AI thing that’s made me feel a bit of derealization… …and this is the worst the capabilities will ever be. Watching the video created a glimmer of doubt that perhaps my current reality is a future version of myself, or some other consciousness, that’s living its life in an AI hallucinated environment.

I suggest you go to google/bing/whatever floats your boat and search "it will only get better" then filter results earlier than 2010. Things that I just found that were going to "only get better": - Google search - Web browsers - Web content - Internet Explorer - Music - Flight process at Mosul airport - Star Wars

Those are worse due to economic and cultural reasons, not technological reasons. The technology itself will only get better.

(Also, implying that music has gotten worse is a boomer-ass take. It might not be to your liking, but there's more of it than ever before, and new sonic frontiers are being discovered every day.)

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

dist-epoch wrote: post #94
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see two ways this is going to go: 1. Universal Basic Income as we're on the way to a post-scarcity society. Unlikely to actually happen due to greed. 2. We take inspiration from the french revolution and then return to a simpler time.

In the french revolution the army and the people had similar kind of weapons. And there was no total surveillance to round up the leaders.

Yes, it'd be difficult. I have some faith that once things escalate far enough the people wielding the weapons are unwilling to murder their countrymen en masse.

Luigi Mangione has shown that all it takes is one person in the right time and place to remove some evil from the world.

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Post by Etheryte »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

> I don't think there was ever a period of time where creative works were just created for sake of itself rather for sharing it with others at masse.

Numerous famous writers, painters, artists, etc counter this idea, Kafka being a notable example, whose significant works only came to light after his passing and against his will. This doesn't take away from the rest of your discussion point, but art always has and always will also exist solely for its own sake.

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Post by zyruh »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

I agree. While I love AI, advancements must be responsible. We are made to be social beings and giving more and more of lives over to AI takes us away from the fundamental need to draw creativity, inspiration, and connection from other people. Thoughts?

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Post by wolttam »

podgietaru wrote: post #100
skybrian wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems like more of the same?

I like living in a world where I know that people who have spent actually time on nurturing a talent get rewarded for doing so, even if that talent is not something I will ever be good at. I don't want to live in a world where these things are generated cheaply and easily for the profit of a very select few group of people. I know the world doesn't work like I described in the top paragraph. But it's a lot closer to…

It's hard to see how there will be room for profit as this all advances

There will be two classes of media:

- Generated, consumed en-masse by uncreative, uninspired individuals looking for cheap thrill

- Human created, consumed by discerning individuals seeking out real human talent and expression. Valuing it based merely on the knowledge that a biological brain produced (or helped produce) it.

I tend to suspect that the latter will grow in value, not diminish, as time progresses

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Post by addisonj »

Really impressive... but wow this is light on details.

While I don't fully align with the sentiment of other commenters that this is meaningless unless you can go hands on... it is crazy to think of how different this announcement is than a few years ago when this would be accompanied by an actual paper that shared the research.

Instead... we get this thing that has a few aspects of a paper - authors, demos, a bibtex citation(!) - but none of the actual research shared.

I was discussing with a friend that my biggest concern with AI right now is not that it isn't capable of doing things... but that we switched from research/academic mode to full value extraction so fast that we are way out over our skis in terms of what is being promised, which, in the realm of exciting new field of academic research is pretty low-stakes all things considered... to being terrifying when we bet policy and economics on it.

To be clear, I am not against commercialization, but the dissonance of this product announcement made to look like research written in this way at the same time that one of the preeminent mathematicians writing about how our shift in funding of real academic research is having real, serious impact is... uh... not confidence inspiring for the long term.

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Post by quantumHazer »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

Machine learning as it is needs human data and input to progress further.

Synthetic data can be useful until a certain point, but you can’t expect to have a better model on synthetic data alone indefinitely.

The moat of GDM here is YouTube. That have a bazillion of gameplay and whatever videos. But here it is.

The downside I can see is that most people will stop to publish content online for free since this companies have absolutely no respect whatsoever for the humans that created the data they use.

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Post by Saline9515 »

skybrian wrote: post #95
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

We already live in a world where a vast library of songs by musicians who play much better than you are readily available on YouTube and Spotify. This seems like more of the same?

It still requires work, dedication and produces authenticity. A world where AI can produce music instantly commoditizes it.

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Post by yomismoaqui »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

The question is, why are you doing art?

- Because you enjoy it

- Because you get pats in the back from people you share it with

- Because you want to earn money from it

The 1st one will continue to be true in this dystopian AI art future, the other not so much.

And sincerely I find that kind of human art, the one that comes from a pure inner force, the more interesting one.

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