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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

#21
Interesting! This feels like they're trying to position it as a competitor to Nvidia's Omniverse, which is based on the Universal Scene Descriptor format as the backbone. I wonder what format world objects can be ingested into Genie in - e.g. for the manufacturing use cases mentioned.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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post #4

And unfortunately not possible to play around for the general public.

This kind of announcement without an appropriate demo to verify their claims is pretty common with DeepMind at this point. They barely even discuss their limitations, so as always, this should be taken with a grain of salt.

Most of the big labs never go into their models' limitations. OpenAI does it best, despite their inveterate hype-building. Their releases always have a reasonable limitations section, usually with text/image/video examples of failures.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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post #8

Yet another unavailable model from Google.. if I can't use it, I don't care. Tell me about it when it's ready to use.

What a strange take. Do you not care about news coming from the James Webb Telescope either, just because you can't play with the telescope personally? It's a whitepaper release to share the STOTA research. This doesn't seem like an economically viable model, nor does it look polished enough to be practically usable.

I think it's a perfectly valid take coming from some intersection of an engineering mindset and FOSS culture. And, the comparison you bring up is a bit of a category error.

We know how James Webb works and it's developed by an international consortium of researchers. One of our most trusted international institutions, and very verifiable.

We do not know how Genie works, it is unverifiable to non-Google researchers, and there are not enough technical details to move much external teams forward. Worst case, this page could be a total fabrication intended to derail competition by lying about what Google is _actually_ spending their time on.

We really don't know.

I don't say this to defend the other comment and say you're wrong, because I empathize with both points. But I do think that treating Google with total credulity would be a mistake, and the James Webb comparison is a disservice to the JW team.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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post #9

First AI thing that’s made me feel a bit of derealization… …and this is the worst the capabilities will ever be. Watching the video created a glimmer of doubt that perhaps my current reality is a future version of myself, or some other consciousness, that’s living its life in an AI hallucinated environment.

The same argument can be used for anything.

Personal jetpacks are the worst they’ll ever be. Doesn’t mean they’re any close to being useful.

Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

#29
post #8

Yet another unavailable model from Google.. if I can't use it, I don't care. Tell me about it when it's ready to use.

What a strange take. Do you not care about news coming from the James Webb Telescope either, just because you can't play with the telescope personally? It's a whitepaper release to share the STOTA research. This doesn't seem like an economically viable model, nor does it look polished enough to be practically usable.

James Webb Telescope is not something that can be - and is released. AI models are, and others are announcing them when they're available, but DeepMind introduces noise here with their "trust us, that works, now go away" approach.
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