Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
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Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#2How many more people must go through the agony of software enshittification before free and open source software is more widely adopted and better supported?
I started making a list of FOSS Trello alternatives. If none suit your needs, contribute dollars or code to one.
All other good reasons aside, FOSS is the only way to get what you want outside of building your own, but public repos give you economy of scale plus the ability to make your bespoke mods.
Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#3Ugh, sounds like the "progressive disclosure" people got their hands on it. Gross.
Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#4Just use Wekan. Problem solved.
Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#5That's a typical modern SaaS issue that all departments have to keep building just to appear busy and "meet goals". Product managers to find the new shiny features, designers to design them or redesign the whole app, engineers to build them or do some framework migration and so on.
Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#6How many more people must go through the agony of software enshittification before free and open source software is more widely adopted and better supported? I started making a list of FOSS Trello alternatives. If none suit your needs, contribute dollars or code to one. All other good reasons aside, FOSS is the only way to get what you want outside of building your own, but public repos give you economy of scale plus…
Honestly it feels like desktop software should make a comeback.
You pay once, get a set of features and that’s it. It won’t randomly change on you one day.
Open source doesn’t solve anything for most people. It adds work if they have to figure out how to run it, etc.
Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#7How many more people must go through the agony of software enshittification before free and open source software is more widely adopted and better supported? I started making a list of FOSS Trello alternatives. If none suit your needs, contribute dollars or code to one. All other good reasons aside, FOSS is the only way to get what you want outside of building your own, but public repos give you economy of scale plus…
Honestly it feels like desktop software should make a comeback. You pay once, get a set of features and that’s it. It won’t randomly change on you one day. Open source doesn’t solve anything for most people. It adds work if they have to figure out how to run it, etc.
On the server side, you have things like Moodle, which has one instance per X number of users, only a browser needed. And there are many others. If you outsource the hosting, you still have choice, unlike a closed package, where you don't.
Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#8I tried Redmine, went to Trello and then returned to self hosted Redmine. Redmine might be little bit inflexible and does not have nice Kanban board, but when you will correctly set start-due dates + limit how far into future you want to see it can create usable Gannt chart, and I have eventually got used on this type of work.
Next step has been putting Redmine on the web so I can access it from anywhere. I have got stuck on setting up HTTPS for Redmine in Docker container, which required to use traefik or what the hell so I have gave up on that part and instead started using Wireguard on my laptop + my phone and my router and just access it via plain HTTP + VPN. Advantage is that I don't need to worry about bugs in Redmine because it is not exposed to the internet itself at all.
I understand this setup is light years from what regular user would do and it should give FOSS community pause to think about user friendliness and ease of a setup. But it is unlikely it will.
Re: Trello: How the project management app's update is causing customers to revolt
#9"The past year of headlines might suggest that jerking users around with unwanted new features is the domain of a select few companies pushing a specific sort of tech. It turns out tech businesses in a much lighter weight class can do it too."
1. I wouldn't call Atlassian exactly lightweight.
2. You can build a whole well-paid career around making one of their other "fantastic" products, Jira, actually work in a productive way