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Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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for the supplier problem, we just use a typeahead/combobox component. but for raw materials, we auto-generate the ids like this: https://x.com/barbinbrad/status/1947682873416221184 also working on some agents: https://x.com/barbinbrad/status/1903047303180464586 would love to talk, i'm brad@carbon.ms

This is interesting but what about non standard items? There are plenty of cases where the raw material might theoretically have the same name, but was made with a different process by each manufacturer or the resulting item from different manufacturers has slightly diverged for various reasons.

for that we use "batch" tracking with batch properties

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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We built a lot of the custom ERP related systems outside of our ERP. Leaving the financials to the big boys and just talk to the ERP. It's working really well.

Does the ERP allow you API access, or do you need to do CSV upload/download?

API and direct database access.

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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What exactly is an “ERP”? Virtually everything I read about them or on the website of products, is so vague and broad that it sounds like “it’s everything”. How would a business know they need this product? For the big ERPs out there, is there a clear guide with screenshots that show what they concretely do?

I've worked on a erp for a short while and I genuinely still don't know. The amount of bullshit surrounding them is certainly staggering.

I now work on a large company that is about to introduce a large new erp system and is not only investing billions into that change with the mother of all vendor lock ins; but we're also internally transforming the company so that the erp will work. But no, we can't afford the two days of estimated work to upgrade to c++20 as it's not necessary right now.

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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Do you have any users yet? What’s your target size manufacturing company? I’ve been in the industrial software space for a while, and at least for large MFG, you only see the major players, with SAP being the most common. There is this “UNS” concept that’s been around for 5ish years now and has caught steam (unified namespace, google and you’ll find it). It has holes from a technical standpoint, but it will get atten…

Hey I'd love to learn more about your thoughts. We have a discord if you'd like to join. I see the market like this: - small job shops and startups are using it now (we have 5 customers today using it to run operations) - mid-market manufacturers with 200-ish employees are where i'd like to go, but many want all the accounting baked in and that's still a WIP - large players have to use SAP for accounting because they…

TLDR Brad: I’d suggest you look at any customers with potential scale, who should have a custom SKU/BOM/order mix. 3D printing and full custom made to order products will have this mix, and it gets increasing painful when scaling past 100s of orders per month. One will find there will be in-house systems and workaround to deal with this complication, which should be fixed decently once a company is in the 1000s of orders per month by necessity of survival.

A bit more background as there is various bits of advice in these threads, and I will provide my take with scaling such a startup. Third-Party ERPs from the big vendors are purchased by Finance and are needed for validation pre-IPO and into the IPO (no one is going to trust something else without proof of success in publicly traded companies and it will be a red flag if there is no use cases in reputable publicly traded companies). ERPs are financial focused (like EHRs in healthcare), and their vendors will happily upsell the other addons like MES/BOMs, which are fine for generic manufacturing with limited SKUs. However in a world of customized/personalized SKUs, traditional ERP/finances solutions cannot be easily used to run manufacturing operations. I’d recommend focusing on integrating into ERPs (tack on custom IDs to the related objects) and automating them rather than building the full financial accounting/taxes into the platform. For example, your platform will still track the BOM details, but the totals will get synced for overall financial reporting for the various ledgers and not all the sub-assemblies which the ledgers don’t care about. This keeps the MES purpose built (and the big vendor ERP keeping simple books) and the ultimate source of truth what’s happening on the floor without getting into the accounting details that matter for tax optimization and not manufacturing operations.

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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I'll bite. I am a ERP consultant in the SMB manufacturing and distribution space. Primarily we operate on Acumatica, Sage and Netsuite. The most important thing about ERP systems is - customization. IE: Scripting (netsuite), or even core programming (Sage100 for example). Not just user defined fields but workflows and being able to override and hook into core parts of the system. Say you want to override your cost ba…

these are all excellent questions! i think, interestingly, the answer to all of them is basically -- there's an off the shelf version that's opinionated and good. and if you want to take it a step further, you'd want to just modify the source code.

i think open-source gives consultatnts and integrators super powers that they may not be used to -- everything currently has to be done through abstractions on abstractions. if you can just modify the source code, it becomes a little simpler i think.

take the PDFs for example. just make them how you want them in your instance of the software using the most popular tools on the planet (i don't mean crystal reports): https://github.com/crbnos/carbon/tree/main/packages/document...

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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I'll bite. I am a ERP consultant in the SMB manufacturing and distribution space. Primarily we operate on Acumatica, Sage and Netsuite. The most important thing about ERP systems is - customization. IE: Scripting (netsuite), or even core programming (Sage100 for example). Not just user defined fields but workflows and being able to override and hook into core parts of the system. Say you want to override your cost ba…

these are all excellent questions! i think, interestingly, the answer to all of them is basically -- there's an off the shelf version that's opinionated and good. and if you want to take it a step further, you'd want to just modify the source code. i think open-source gives consultatnts and integrators super powers that they may not be used to -- everything currently has to be done through abstractions on abstraction…

i should also say that the accounting is a WIP but modeled on Dynamics 365 - with posting groups, item ledgers, cost ledgers, and general ledgers.

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey I'd love to learn more about your thoughts. We have a discord if you'd like to join. I see the market like this: - small job shops and startups are using it now (we have 5 customers today using it to run operations) - mid-market manufacturers with 200-ish employees are where i'd like to go, but many want all the accounting baked in and that's still a WIP - large players have to use SAP for accounting because they…

TLDR Brad: I’d suggest you look at any customers with potential scale, who should have a custom SKU/BOM/order mix. 3D printing and full custom made to order products will have this mix, and it gets increasing painful when scaling past 100s of orders per month. One will find there will be in-house systems and workaround to deal with this complication, which should be fixed decently once a company is in the 1000s of or…

really well said, imo! it's interesting how there's two views of ERP. one is a G/L + anything needed to support it. and the other is more of a tool that supports operations and planning. i started with a G/L, but have kept it hidden even now, because my thought it that everything else should be good first, and support the G/L second.

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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What exactly is an “ERP”? Virtually everything I read about them or on the website of products, is so vague and broad that it sounds like “it’s everything”. How would a business know they need this product? For the big ERPs out there, is there a clear guide with screenshots that show what they concretely do?

I've worked on a erp for a short while and I genuinely still don't know. The amount of bullshit surrounding them is certainly staggering. I now work on a large company that is about to introduce a large new erp system and is not only investing billions into that change with the mother of all vendor lock ins; but we're also internally transforming the company so that the erp will work. But no, we can't afford the two…

> internally transforming the company

I'm not sure how things are now, but I once worked tangentially on a mid-sized corporation ERP rollout. At that time it was not unusual to have an entire department at the ERP-adopting company called "Change Management." Any company-wide process change was managed by the Change Management department.

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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Congrats on this! Quite interesting for me as I have been working on vertical ERPs for a while, not at all related to manufacturing and as far as I know, accounting is usually the core of any ERP. Who is your ICP at companies in your target groups - ops managers? I’ve mostly seen CFOs being the drivers behind ERP purchasing.

Re: Show HN: I've been building an ERP for manufacturing for the last 3 years

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agree. it's very impressive how SAP maintains multiple ledgers for different regulations in different countries. i'm not going to replace that any time soon. i think even tesla uses SAP for accounting, but something like this for the rest.

Is there a reason for such an arrangement? Why would Tesla not use SAP as their backbone ERP too?

Customising SAP is like setting money on fire but the core of it is rock solid.
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