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This sounds so weird. Is there a legal requirement for this? Does this offer any type of real protection? Or is there a code of conduct that that intelligence agencies never hire people with foreign nationalities?
(Before hitting ‘add comment’ I’m taking a moment to consider if I’m being overly cynical. But no, I really don’t think I am. But my company does compete with AWS, so that is a bias.)
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True. Someone should look into why all these companies tend to be started in the US, and not in the EU.
I think that's pretty straightforward. The US VC funding is far greater and easier to obtain than in Europe or other western nations. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg scenario. The US VC space exists partly because of the wild success of silicon valley. Once it got a significant lead it became a self re-enforcing system. To compete, other countries need their own VC system which is a bit tricky. It requires likely…
AWS claims their cloud is "sovereign" and "independent" while remaining owned by a US corp subject to US law (including the CLOUD Act). That's not how sovereignty works. EU citizen operators don't change the fact that the underlying technology, patents, and corporate control remain American. Zero details on pricing, available services, or how they'll handle conflicts between US law and their "sovereignty" promises. F…
That said, being fully European doesn't guarantee anything either. They'll just bribe some employees or use an allied intelligence agency within the EU.
This may be blindingly obvious, but I’m going to say it anyway: If Amazon was willing to actually give up control of AWS EU, then this kind of announcement would be entirely surplus to requirements. But they will (obviously and rationally) not be giving up control of AWS EU because that would essentially have to be an act of charity, so they need to dress it up a bit. (Before hitting ‘add comment’ I’m taking a moment…
It would be a dumb move though because they need a worldwide CDN for customers from other countries outside the EU too.
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True. Someone should look into why all these companies tend to be started in the US, and not in the EU.
lol…try hire someone in Germany. You’ll get it in about 5 minutes. Sincerely, someone in Canada who did this.
The problem is firing someone in Germany, which can be pretty difficult once a company exceeds 5/10 employees. You basically need either cause (e.g. sabotage, theft, other criminal activity) or the company needs to be in dire economic situations.
Interestingly, the title refers to citizens but the body only refers to residents: > the AWS European Sovereign Cloud is operated only by personnel who are European Union (EU) residents located in the EU, subject to EU law.
> subject to EU law Always was. Its telling that they think that they were not previously subject to EU laws when their EU subsidiary did business with someone located in the EU.
The key thing is, at the moment US staff can do admin actions (e.g. SSH into physical hosts). Under this new framework, they can't.
AWS claims their cloud is "sovereign" and "independent" while remaining owned by a US corp subject to US law (including the CLOUD Act). That's not how sovereignty works. EU citizen operators don't change the fact that the underlying technology, patents, and corporate control remain American. Zero details on pricing, available services, or how they'll handle conflicts between US law and their "sovereignty" promises. F…
Appeasing a nationalists appetite is impossible.