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Re: World wide wasteland

#31

Flagged for the really obnoxious "subscribe to our newsletter" pop-up (that apparently is more important than the content on the page, since it hides the content as you get a few sentences in), and, as others pointed out, for committing the same crime it's ranting about. This really smells like spam, and either way, isn't HN quality.

I would unflag it if I was in your place, because it's been fixed[1], and I don't know what triggers losing flag rights.

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4479147

Re: World wide wasteland

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post #2

You know, I always hated the echo-chamber many blogs became, blogging endlessly about what other people had blogged and not giving any thought to producing original content. I mostly steered clear of twitter, because my impression is it's even worse there. And I don't think I've ever in my life followed a "related stories" link. In the days of print we managed just fine without pointers to other works. If you were ve…

If you have a product you need a link to that product from your blog.

Re: World wide wasteland

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post #8

Are links dead? I actually find myself using links... as they were intended, to link to whatever content I'm blogging about as a service to the reader. I wonder if the rise of the knowledge graph will save links, where every single noun can be automatically linked to by the AI interpreting it for you.

If every second word on site was a link, nobody would bother to click them. People would just be frustrated by all that blue words.

Hmm, maybe that's argument for making different categories of links. Like blue links for things you suggest to read, light blue for things that are relevant, but not that important for most readers, and gray for links to definition of a word, source of the data, such things, that most people would ignore.

Re: World wide wasteland

#35

Revisiting my comment from a couple of weeks ago, "mass media, which includes Google, however they may try to deny it, lives by the numbers, which means adapting to the lowest common denominator. Just think, as the Internet spreads, Google will evolve (devolve) closer and closer to broadcast TV!" Just substitute "the Web" for "Google"; the Web is becoming television!!

Totally agree. But unlike traditional media, on the Web you can be a broadcaster too without any permission.

Re: World wide wasteland

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"No, Tumblr doesn’t count. When was the last time somebody re-tumbled anything more substantial than a picture with two lines of text? And where have all the blog-spanning debates gone anyway?"

It's clear that the author of this post doesn't grok Tumblr. With Tumblr, good content discover is hard and that is the main issue with using it. However, there is TONS of high quality content in long format on Tumblr from a variety of users.

Finding quality content on blogs has always been a crap shoot. Starting your own blog and keeping it high quality is hard and nobody's blog is high quality all of the time. Linking with traditional blogs is and was NOT a good way to disseminate information, as most people have poor information literacy and do not have an easy time of finding relevant material via linking. That is why sharing links and posts via social networks is so popular, as it provided a way to generate and follow content with an easier (not necessarily easy) to understand usage model.

Re: World wide wasteland

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post #3

The problem with the utopian vision of the linked web is that links to meaningful content elsewhere on the web die. In November of 1994, I created a personal web page. I linked the one image (the logo of the university where I intended to go to go to grad school). By March, the link was broken. The school had redone its website. The world wide web broke the social contract implicit in Gopher. Geocities is no longer o…

Linkrot is a real problem, but it's nowhere near as harmful as PageRank was. Once links have commercial value, people don't want to give them away for free. Serious publishers quit making links to outside sites and soon other people got out of the linking habit.

I don't think page rank really plays as much of a role as the fact that it is easier to replace a webpage than to remodel it. See the "More" button at the bottom of this page.

Re: World wide wasteland

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post #20

"Right now hacker news and reddit are top notch. But they too will die eventually." Scary thought but aren't these two built on top of what's dyeing. Which are links, "as in nobody links to other websites anymore". You are right no one links to interesting content in their blog posts anymore which is quite sad. But so long as HN and reddit users keep posting links that they find interesting the future is all good.

So lots of people gather on HN because it is so good and soon enough someone realizes that posting links on HN is a good way to gather page hits. It's downhill from there. People begin to post not only about others startups they find interesting, but about their own ones too for fun and profit. Intentionally or unintentionally astro turfing. Then genuinely intersting links also gets accused of being link bait or of promoting some business.

Not before long you'll find shady ads on various forums selling links on HN: "tons of karma, 2yr acnt, $20$/ppost" Not a single site built on user submitted content have been able to withstand that plague.

Re: World wide wasteland

#39
As a user, you don't link. You re-tweet. Hoping people will follow you. Because if you have many followers, you have value (being monetizable, or just ego).

As a company, it's the Same thing. except instead of tweets (some also use tweets, obviously) they've an actual website (which has links to mostly itself, and in rare cases, wikipedia)

It's not just bloggers. It's the whole web thing. It was based on sharing and linking. I find that it was very, very cool. Now, it's addresses to webapps.That, and social sites.

So yeah, I like the article, because even it's not 100% accurate it's still very insightful.

Re: World wide wasteland

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post #3

The problem with the utopian vision of the linked web is that links to meaningful content elsewhere on the web die. In November of 1994, I created a personal web page. I linked the one image (the logo of the university where I intended to go to go to grad school). By March, the link was broken. The school had redone its website. The world wide web broke the social contract implicit in Gopher. Geocities is no longer o…

That was one of the major challenges Ted Nelson's 70s/80s Xanadu project though would need to be addressed in order to produce a deployable hypertext system. It seems like they were wrong on that front: the web won out by just deploying without addressing it.

Ah, good ol' WorseIsBetter.
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