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Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by fragmede »

ndiddy wrote: post #204
jstummbillig wrote: post #74

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Counterpoint: AI in its current form is democratizing and allowing exactly the not rich to be relatively more dangerous. So yeah, the rich might use it to get richer. But so can everyone* else.

If the AI industry achieves its short-term goals, instead of paying a human $100,000/year to do some desk job, companies will pay Microsoft/Google/OpenAI/whoever $20,000/year in API tokens and keep the extra money for themselves. To me, this doesn't seem like a way to reduce wealth inequality, it seems like a way to accelerate it. Sure, there's nothing inherent to AI that makes it cause wealth inequality. However, li…

Even if it costs $100k/yr in GPU and RAM, the robot's preferable. It doesn't get sick, it doesn't have a family, it doesn't show up hungover, it doesn't sleep. It can be copy and pasted and duplicated and turned off as necessary.

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Post by kergonath »

newswasboring wrote: post #235
shermantanktop wrote: post #218

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When it goes on just a little too long, it can result in the French Revolution and 1917 and the election of populist candidates with unexpected consequences. So sure, not a given, but it’s a risk that goes up as conditions get worse.

French revolution I can still see as consequences but Bolsheviks just took land and gave it to the new nobelity (the state).

The goalposts somewhat shifted, here. The original point was

> It surprises me that the monied elite seem to have so little awareness of what happens when they keep winning.

What happened is that the Russian elite ended up dead or penniless in exile. What happened after that is not really relevant to the lot of the blind elite of the ancien régime.

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Post by tgv »

throwawayoldie wrote: post #169
bthrn wrote: post #125

It's funny how employers try to rationalize this -- take Coinbase, for example: https://www.coinbase.com/blog/how-coinbase-is-embracing-ai-i... > While some worry AI will dehumanize the hiring process, we believe the opposite. Deploying AI will enable more quality interactions, more quickly for the candidates who are the best fit for our jobs– without unnecessary administrative tasks or distractions. We fully believe…

"While some worry AI will dehumanize the hiring process, we believe the opposite." "AI will create jobs instead of destroying them." "AI will solve the climate crisis despite doubling or tripling humanity's energy footprint." At some point it became acceptable to lie to the public with a straight face.

That moment was when one of Satan's little helpers whispered into the ear of a PR officer: "you're misunderstood; you only have to communicate it better."

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Post by mingus88 »

shermantanktop wrote: post #193
delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #173

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The sickle and hammer looking real interesting now.

It surprises me that the monied elite seem to have so little awareness of what happens when they keep winning.

I’m not that surprised.

To reach the level of billionaire, it’s pretty much a requirement that you abandon all empathy and ethics.

What’s surprising is that nobody in their circle has educated them on the concept of a win-win. These people could be folk heros, universally loved and respected in ways buying a social media platform and banning all the haters will never accomplish.

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

purpose of these job interviews is to filter out people with self respect

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Post by at-fates-hands »

aplummer wrote: post #228
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #177

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That's interesting. My expectation was that, if I did a four-hour assignment, they were going to spend 5 minutes evaluating it. I wonder if you are typical, or if typical is closer to my 5 minute impression?

I spend a lot longer than candidates do on themselves if they have open source (or if an internal transfer, internal) code I can review. 50% that I’m terrified of bad hires, 50% I recognize the opportunity and gravity from their side so try to respect that.

>> if they have open source (or if an internal transfer, internal) code I can review.

I give you a lot of credit for doing this. When I was still in development, I had a pretty robust github page, a sizable portfolio of stuff I had built and other side projects I was working on with various other platforms like Salesforce.

Not once did an interviewer review any of that. I would find myself referring to my github page several times over during the interview. I got so frustrated with interviewers asking me how to do simple things in interviews, I finally walked out of several and told them if they had just taken five minutes and looked at any of my github projects, they would've saved themselves a lot of time asking stupid questions about basic stuff.

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Post by dragontamer »

newswasboring wrote: post #235
shermantanktop wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it goes on just a little too long, it can result in the French Revolution and 1917 and the election of populist candidates with unexpected consequences. So sure, not a given, but it’s a risk that goes up as conditions get worse.

French revolution I can still see as consequences but Bolsheviks just took land and gave it to the new nobelity (the state).

The period after the initial French Revolutions includes a period with an Emperor Napoleon and also a period where King Charles is restored to power.

It's like a century of struggle before that whole situation resolved.

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Post by Aurornis »

colechristensen wrote: post #117
Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

My rule for interviews is the company has to spend equal human time or I decline. This means no 8 hour tests, no talking to computers, no special little projects for me to evaluate me. You get equal face time and no more than 45 minutes of me doing anything by myself (that's the max leeway). If you want me to do anything else either I'm getting paid short term contractor rates or making you make a sizable donation to…

In my experience, candidates who demand equivalent face time always underestimate how much time is spent selecting candidates, reviewing resumes, scheduling interviews, preparing the interview structure, reviewing interviews, advocating for candidates to progress, getting their offers approved, dealing with HR, and the countless other things that go into getting someone from the application phase to being hired.

If you reduce an interview to “face time” and start trying to keep score on that metric you’re not seeing the full picture.

Though to be honest, whenever a candidate vocally removes themselves from the candidate pipeline for something like this (which is very rare) it feels like we dodged a bullet.

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Post by corps_and_code »

throwawayoldie wrote: post #212
the__alchemist wrote: post #206

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This is some I've thought about more lately. It's taboo to use the word "lie" and accuse people of lying... I am attempting to use it in my vocabulary more and more, when appropriate. Which is surprisingly often.

I've noticed the word "bullshit" is making a big comeback, which is encouraging to me. Because, good Lord, is there ever so much bullshit.

You might enjoy this paper on how ChatGPT is Bullshit: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10676-024-09775-5

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Post by catigula »

I think the jobs and "fuck you, scum. third-world workers do 10x your output for 10x cheaper" situation might end up being too much for people.

You can put people through a lot of indignity but once you start having people acclimated to a Western first-world lifestyle now actively competing with AI and people from the third-world and telling that they're not working hard enough if they're not willing to live the debased existence of an AI or that someone from the third world is willing to live for basic first-world access, something must give.

Surely.

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