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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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We just have to be very careful with this line of thinking. One could misunderstand that you are blaming information access for these problems.

That would not be a misunderstanding, it is so

Then I have to wholeheartedly disagree, because that's elitist. The 10% of the population will never have problems with information access. Only the poor is affected if you go after information access.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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This is very unique to the locale you are at, and the economic conditions of that area. I am in a "top 20" US city and all of these things are in extreme decline.

Cities wax and wane. A commenter a couple posts up in this chain (fwiw, they were arguing on the “there is a decline” side) shared a story with a 5% decrease. That’s not nothing, but it isn’t an extreme decline.

Visibly it looks like a 30-40% decline post-COVID.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don't like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already…

This comment makes me so sad- I mean this genuinely, looking at your comment history its clear you've fallen into the far right rabbit hole, and this is what "catch you when you say something they don't like" means. No shade to you, there are hundred billion dollar campaigns waged to trap people in ideas like those that are designed to be isolating. But their goal is to push you away from friends and family and towar…

> you've fallen into the far right rabbit hole, and this is what "catch you when you say something they don't like" means

It might be true for this particular person, but people being a live minefield waiting to blow up in your face is more general experience. Regardless of your views, no matter how benign and out of mainstream controversy you perceived them to be, they will be taken as a reason to view you negatively by someone you know and sever or at least degrade the connection. People can mostly tolerate each other because they share very limited slice of themselves.

If you trip on such snag with AI you can just start another chat session. With people you basically need to find and befriend another person.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Out of all developed nations, Japan is probably the one least affected by housing pricing in the world seeing as though Japanese housing depreciates rather than appreciates over time. Rent prices in America are a staggering 177.4% more expensive than Japan[1]. Ever increasing house prices, caused by the underlying power imbalance between capital and labour, is the root of all evil in the Anglosphere. It will not stop…

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The elephant in the room is that NIMBYs are powerless in Japan.

In the US, people value individuality. In Japan, they have this saying: If a nail sticks out, hammer it flat. NIMBYs are ostracized for being a burden on society.

No matter if the neighbors like it or not, houses regularly get bulldozed to build new high-rise apartment buildings instead. Replacing a single family home with a 20-floor skyscraper easily 50x-es number of available apartments on the market, thereby massively pushing prices down.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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While I'm a bit atypical in tolerating loneliness, if it's a problem for people then I think AI is not the solution, or any soulless computer system really. Loneliness in the human social space is usually balanced, lonely people will meet in pairs or groups and cancel out their loneliness. This people-based system is somewhat resistant against abuse because people are pairwise interested in keeping the system going. (Of course there are spies and such who prey on emotions but they're not common as far as I know.)

With AI, the meta changes and suddenly you must pay for system. The system could start jacking up prices or punitively denying politically unpalatable people their loneliness treatment simply because of the prevailing social forces. Especially if ekeing out more profit over time is the true objective, providing the social good of allaying loneliness will become secondary. I don't see this as a good thing. It is basically an AI form of drug dealing with extra steps.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Out of all developed nations, Japan is probably the one least affected by housing pricing in the world seeing as though Japanese housing depreciates rather than appreciates over time. Rent prices in America are a staggering 177.4% more expensive than Japan[1]. Ever increasing house prices, caused by the underlying power imbalance between capital and labour, is the root of all evil in the Anglosphere. It will not stop…

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Can Japan even attract immigrants if it wants to?

The language is notoriously hard to learn and it's not like they have super high paying jobs the way the USA does

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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> I complained that I think it's sad that a lot of young people don't just see "going over to friends' houses to hang out" as a primary option Young people don't have space on their houses.

Again, I have to chuckle when I hear these excuses. When I was young in mid 90s we would all pile in to someone's 400 square foot studio apartment. I'm not blaming young people today for not seeing this as an option. But it is the case that lots of folks have/had a lot less space and didn't see that as any barrier to hanging out.

So, 40m^2?

That's around the size of the home one can buy in my city nowadays with the top 1% income...

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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AI is incapable of solving loneliness. It's a biological signal we have (thanks to evolution) to seek social connections with other humans , for things like reproduction and survival. Mentally healthy people will never be less lonely as long as they know they are talking to a model. All it can offer is a distraction and an illusion, because it has no humanity. Note: I don't even think dogs solve loneliness. They can…

You might overestimate how clever human instincts are. You might paint rock red and a bird will go through entirety of mating ritual. Can't the bird see that it's a rock? I doubt it can't with it's superior eyes. But "needs" aren't triggered by high level brain functions. Triggers are usually very primitive. And many were found for humans. Lots of low level cravings are already solved by games. Yearning for a human is not unique in any way. A voice with correct vocal patterns and frequencies might do the trick.

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The elephant in the room is that NIMBYs are powerless in Japan. In the US, people value individuality. In Japan, they have this saying: If a nail sticks out, hammer it flat. NIMBYs are ostracized for being a burden on society. No matter if the neighbors like it or not, houses regularly get bulldozed to build new high-rise apartment buildings instead. Replacing a single family home with a 20-floor skyscraper easily 50…

> NIMBYs are ostracized for being a burden on society.

And those are native-speaking, ethnically Japanese locals.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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This is more a function of dense population centers. Having lived in many places, I went out more in the denser areas. There are more options and they are all up and down the price spectrum. In sparse areas, going to the same few options over and over again isn't fun, and they tend to be more expensive, maybe due to lack of competition.

Don't underestimate the lack of functioning public transport. I always considered trains, tram slow teleporters. A functional rail network allow the public to move with much less restraint. Think about it. A highly car dependent society which much of the world unfortunately still is, will make going to 3rd places much less attractive. Easier to sit at home, doom scroll and watch Netflix. Inter city trains should run…

Fully agree. The MRT in Singapore means you can invite people for a drinking party pretty much anywhere and you know that they'll all be able to attend both cheaply and safely.
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