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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Indeed, talking to an AI is basically talking to yourself

I wouldn't go so far. It is more like that one friend who always says "yes" to whatever opinion you have. AI is that friend but it had read many housewive magazines.

You are literally talking to yourself and to the responses of the llm. That is the context fed in for the next continuation

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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> The obsession with their birth rates is one of the creepy reasons why young people don't want to go out. I'm a bit confused here, as someone who doesn't go out and never did. Do young people get accosted about generational birth rates if they go out?

I think public discussion of whether you are having "enough" sex and "enough" babies to satisfy some oligarch or technocrat's vision of how the world should be, while not specifically deterring people going out, contributes to a general gross vibe which I could imagine doesn't help people want to get out there and mingle. But I do think this is overstated. I have a small number of children and the main reason that we…

The main discussion is on replacement rates. If this get too low, civilization eventually collapses.

It's not really a 'vision' and more like the end of humanity.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I believe that AI can't ever replace direct human contact. But I'm not so sure if a good AI can't replace superficial online-only friendships. Looking at the bulk of my online interactions (outside forums like this one), they largely end in trivia (did you know...) or low effort agreement. An AI could play that role admirably.

What do you mean by direct?

Something The Anxious Generation specifically calls out as problematic about online relationships is how disposable they can be; if someone online offends or upsets you you can just block them and move on without giving it a second thought.

Real life relationships aren’t like this; you have to invest in repair and maintenance to keep them up. You have a limited number of times that you can “go no contact” with people before you find yourself alone. And people like this in the real world are usually pretty easy to identify and avoid — the embittered self-righteousness and victimhood is obvious, so others quickly learn to keep them at arm’s length.

This is the same principle why you can have fiery fling on vacation but struggle to talk to the cutie next door — the next door person you only get one shot with.

AI risks amplifying all this. Not only is the AI already far too agreeable and unbound by morals or conscience, you can reset it whenever you want, if you do happen to tell it something that takes it in a direction you don’t like.

That this could become the next generation’s training wheels for how friendships and partnerships function is terrifying.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I believe that AI can't ever replace direct human contact. But I'm not so sure if a good AI can't replace superficial online-only friendships. Looking at the bulk of my online interactions (outside forums like this one), they largely end in trivia (did you know...) or low effort agreement. An AI could play that role admirably.

This seems like solipsism at its absolute worst. Do you care at all about the actual human being on the other end of that superficial online friendship? Or are they simply a source of content for you to ingest?

"Outside of forums like this one"

The real culprits are revealed. Despite its flaws, Hacker News does foster real discussion that sometimes leads to real connection. Big online social spaces tend to do the opposite.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I wouldn't worry about AI solving loneliness any time soon. AI right now feels empty, like a facade with no depth. AI will tell you what it thinks you want to hear, but it can't remember a conversation you had last week (and even if it sticks a summary of your conversations into the pre-prompt, it has no sense of importance and will probably overwrite your darkest secret with your favorite cocktail recipe if it runs…

I really appreciate your last point. An AI that can improve one’s social skills, má good matches, facilitate human connection and relationships, could be great

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I assure you, as a young person, nobody has ever commented on my birth rate when I went out.

No one implied they would, but the thread you're commenting on literally begins with an abstract discussion about using the law to coerce you into having a more "positive" birth rate.

So what is it that you’re saying is keeping younger people from getting out? Just the knowledge that there may be people out in the world with them who are creepily obsessing over their birth rate?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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There’s also doomscrolling. I genuinely think a large portion of Gen Z would rather stay in bed watching Instagram reels than go out to a bar or club. I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive but I’m not sure on what magnitude.

>I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive but I’m not sure on what magnitude. Sex is decoupled from birth rates, due to access to 100% effective birth control (IUD/morning after pill/abortion). Hence there is no reason to think it would have any positive effect. I would be surprised if even a single person I know had had an unplanned k…

> Sex is decoupled from birth rates, due to access to 100% effective birth control (IUD/morning after pill/abortion).

In 2022, the US overturned the constitutional right to abortion. Abortion is now outlawed in 17 US states, restricted in 8.

Politicians in some of these states are also trying to ban IUDs and the morning after pill.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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> Even in a world brimming with easy distractions—TikTok, Pornhub, Candy Crush, Sudoku—people still manage to meet for drinks, work out at the gym, go on dates, muddle through real life. They actually don't. Everything from dating and fitness to manufacturing and politics is in decline in activities, and more so in effect and understanding. You can't convince (enough) people anymore that it is even important as many…

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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> Even in a world brimming with easy distractions—TikTok, Pornhub, Candy Crush, Sudoku—people still manage to meet for drinks, work out at the gym, go on dates, muddle through real life. They actually don't. Everything from dating and fitness to manufacturing and politics is in decline in activities, and more so in effect and understanding. You can't convince (enough) people anymore that it is even important as many…

You're both right, it is in decline and it does still happen. Which is why it's not hopeless, and we really can't have AI as a force multiplier accelerating the decline.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I wouldn't worry about AI solving loneliness any time soon. AI right now feels empty, like a facade with no depth. AI will tell you what it thinks you want to hear, but it can't remember a conversation you had last week (and even if it sticks a summary of your conversations into the pre-prompt, it has no sense of importance and will probably overwrite your darkest secret with your favorite cocktail recipe if it runs…

Re: your last point (made in 2019): https://youtu.be/NZ8G3e3Cgl4?si=OsnMXen2-D9jiEai
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