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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

#81

We've seen some of this with social media. Social media rose to prominence with ubiquitous always-on internet. That means that more people were connected than with prior internet technologies (which were always inherently somewhat social). The biggest negative associated with social media IMO has been organizations using the ease of creating accounts to fake social proof for political and monetary gain. Whether we li…

> AI makes it even easier to spin up fake personas to pretend to be human and advocate

It's not only that. AI enables a never-before-seen level of individual targeting for political and commercial actors, campaigns of behavioral modification and radicalization, to the point where the entire intelectual foundations of democracy become questionable.

When power actors addressed the people in traditional media they could send a single message that was tailored to maximize effect, but necessarily needed to be addressed to the common man. The explosion of internet fragmented the media space, but we're still talking about unitary publications, say, an opinion piece presented identically to all online subscribers of a certain publication, with narratives targeting broad swaths of the population: young urban males, conservative retirees and so on. Cambridge Analytica disrupted that model, allowing targeting based on individual profiling, A/B testing to see what kind of content works best on people with certain proclivities etc.; but again, the decisions were relatively low complexity and automatic.

Now imagine each individual has a dedicated GPT-5 level agent following him around across devices and media, that operates 24/7 with the singular task of influencing his opinion, convince him to join a cause, plunge him into depression, buy something, or whatever else the power actor needs from that individual. This agent not only has an excelent profile of his target and can generate videos, fake personas etc. as necessary, but also has a near expert level competence in things like psychology, persuasion and manipulation. It doesn't just push narratives, its tasked with convincing you and isolating you from whatever external influence threatens that goal, and it reasons towards that goal with near expert level accuracy. Would 99% of the population resist such a brainwashing machine? Would you?

This is the type of agent Facebook and Twitter/x are striving towards. It's a world where people no longer have common understanding of a shared social reality, and collaboration towards keeping Power in check becomes fundamentally impossible. It's orwellian to a degree even Orwell didn't imagine.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I believe that AI can't ever replace direct human contact. But I'm not so sure if a good AI can't replace superficial online-only friendships. Looking at the bulk of my online interactions (outside forums like this one), they largely end in trivia (did you know...) or low effort agreement. An AI could play that role admirably.

Sure it can, look at what now few decades of online chats, porn and porn addictions have done to people. 10-100x that with rest of the advancements in technologies like VR and let's observe the psychological effects.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

#83

I wouldn't worry about AI solving loneliness any time soon. AI right now feels empty, like a facade with no depth. AI will tell you what it thinks you want to hear, but it can't remember a conversation you had last week (and even if it sticks a summary of your conversations into the pre-prompt, it has no sense of importance and will probably overwrite your darkest secret with your favorite cocktail recipe if it runs…

I don’t understand how you u can’t worry about this.

Like there’s a trend line of progress right? Ok so the thing isn’t effective now. But there’s a decade of upward progress and that projection line point to a future where a better AI exists.

Trend-lines don’t point to an exact future just a most probable future. It is unwise to discount the most probable future.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Web surfing has never been a group activity. It often was, in my childhood. There was only one computer.

Mine as well. Trolling pedos on AOL who thought they were meeting up with teen girls was our past time. We got quite good at looking up locations, organizing places to meet, and more. We were Chris Hansen, in bored teen boys form. Ah the days of A/S/L.

For the younger crowd, A/S/L? Was a typical introduction between people who were taking their chat to the next level. Like a handshake introduction in a room of crowded people where up to that point you were just throwing responses into the group discussion. This was in the days of IRC and Yahoo! Chat.

Age/Sex/Location?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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post #59

I believe that AI can't ever replace direct human contact. But I'm not so sure if a good AI can't replace superficial online-only friendships. Looking at the bulk of my online interactions (outside forums like this one), they largely end in trivia (did you know...) or low effort agreement. An AI could play that role admirably.

My best (and longest) friends are online-only. I wouldn't generalize so easily.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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post #59

I believe that AI can't ever replace direct human contact. But I'm not so sure if a good AI can't replace superficial online-only friendships. Looking at the bulk of my online interactions (outside forums like this one), they largely end in trivia (did you know...) or low effort agreement. An AI could play that role admirably.

What do you mean by direct?

IRL (in real life).

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

#87

The idea that AI is going to "solve" loneliness is so insane. Even the framing of the idea is insane, in my opinion. Loneliness is not really about having someone to exchange words with, fundamentally. It is about being validated by other human beings or entities. At a most fundamental level the AI doesn't have a choice except to appear to validate you and this lack of freedom, the fact that you do not win over the A…

Exactly. The article also mentions people can pay to not be lonely. I tried this once and it made the loneliness 100x worse. It some ways it felt like a rock bottom. I wouldn't recommend it.

Just sitting silently with someone can eliminate loneliness, no words needed... sometimes that's preferred. The idea that someone needs to be in an active conversation to not be lonely is missing the mark.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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post #59

I believe that AI can't ever replace direct human contact. But I'm not so sure if a good AI can't replace superficial online-only friendships. Looking at the bulk of my online interactions (outside forums like this one), they largely end in trivia (did you know...) or low effort agreement. An AI could play that role admirably.

This seems like solipsism at its absolute worst. Do you care at all about the actual human being on the other end of that superficial online friendship? Or are they simply a source of content for you to ingest?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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post #31

Even though I'm arguable among the target audience here so to speak I can't really wrap my head around this. It's too steerable and just echos back whatever direction you take it. No own emotional state, interests, agency, variability etc. Even as a substitute for social interaction it feels so inadequate to be pointless. Plenty of people do roleplaying and AI girlfriends etc so I guess it depends on the person?

Indeed, talking to an AI is basically talking to yourself

Yeah or even like talking to your imaginary friend. Like when you have a dream and someone else says something that surprises you in your dream, but it was really just your imagination all along.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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post #59

I believe that AI can't ever replace direct human contact. But I'm not so sure if a good AI can't replace superficial online-only friendships. Looking at the bulk of my online interactions (outside forums like this one), they largely end in trivia (did you know...) or low effort agreement. An AI could play that role admirably.

I think the most beneficial thing AI did so far was exposing how worthless the 'marketing copywriting' is.

Then it will expose how worthless 'opinions from random people on the internet' are. Then how worthless 'parasocial relationships with streamers/influencers' are.

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